Has anyone any idea on origin of these 2 delightful figurines,?Germany ?Japan

Have had these for several years now, Am not sure of origin, and as I am downsizing they may have to go, I Appreciate any opinions re where they made, Both bottoms are same Has a H in gold and a stamped no, either 38 or 58 on both bottoms, thank you all.

 

Sort of Gebruder Heubach.

 

The painting of the figurines looks German to me.

 

I dread finding these at estate sales (pricing)

BUT - someone may love... I have no clue

 

Hi Nancy!

Difficult to tell from photos, but I'm thinking more Japanese than German.

The better made figurines will have a red line in the crease of the eye.

The detail doesn't say German to me.

I hope I'm wrong.

 

I was wondering about this place on the girl's arm:

 

Sometimes, Nancy, they are marked on the outside bottom...not the inside of the bottom.

Did you look carefully all around the bottom rim? (usually an impressed mark).

 

I'm going to go with German based on the bottoms. The later Japanese (and Chinese) pieces tend to have large holes in the base. You are more likely to see these small holes on German pieces. If you are worried about arm repairs you can check them with a black light. The light will show the cracks if they have been repaired. The color differences don't bother me too much. There's a chance, I suppose, that the arm was attached after the figurines were removed from the mold to make the manufacturing process easier. The "H" is probably a decorator mark and the numbers would be the mold shape.

Unger Schneider is another possibility but without a mark...For pricing check completed sales on ebay for Gebruder Heubach and Unger Schneider. Good luck with your downsizing!
Don

 

no red rim on eyes, there is an impressed no on outside base, 77 and what looks like a square, The place on arm though it lloks like a raised line is I think meant to depict a seam on glove, thanks for all your help. I will go with Japan for now,

 

I'm far from expert, mainly got a little into this when a discussion got going on piano babies. Japan is the safe assumption, but, despite lack of red on eyes, the quality of the modeling & even more so the delicacy of the painting, as well as that very small opening on the bottom, really do suggest German work. I agree you should continue to compare with other pieces of known provenance.

You're right, she has gloves that match her boots. The fingers of the hand she's holding toward her mouth are misleading.

 

I'd guess German. The Japanese ones I've seen have been obviously slip-cast, and I think the impressed numbers on the bottom are not a typical Japanese feature.

That's a mold lime on the girl's arm. These are not very high quality - more of a fairing style.

 

Nancy....is it possible to post that mark? (77 & square)

 

Similar figures. Seller says Heubach........has mold number.

Note the the quality.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Vi...613755?hash=item4692809fbb:g:w0IAAOSw6Ulclsih

 

You can see in pix & he says Mold #4927, but they are 2 completely different figures. Would they have only 1 number between them?

OP:



eBay:



To my eye, OP's is the better one. Look at the mouths.

 

Absolutely not the same figurines......but I think OP's are to simulate.

You've got a point on the mouths. But I don't think they are a better quality.

(On my way out for the evening...........)

The consensus is German though from the rest of you.

Just not a good quality as pointed out.........

 

I find the modeling of OP's a little more detailed & the painting much more so, as well as more subtly done. The blue irises of the eyes of the girls are an example. On the eBay girl, the feather on her hat is the same pink as the hat; on OP's it has been given its own color, and so on. Actually, the eBay pair are just pink & white with touches of metallic paint. Is this common with German pieces?

 

Now, this duo I have no trouble believing is GH:

 

I can't let it pass that the ebay guy says the condition is "commiserate to age". I am commiserating with his high school English teacher right now.

 

I didn't read all through the description, but have seen that same auto correct-assisted mistake before. Also: 'Wear consummate with age' and:
Here for sale is a Antique Victorian Carved Lava Cameo Set In Least 9ct Gold Mount Lady and Basket carving I'm very good condition with no damage and no respite c1860 in date please see photos

 

well you have all given me much food for thought, Now I am leaning towards Germany I have listed them locally for 80.00, no takers so far I will happily go down to 60,00, Wish me look guys and thank you all so very very much I also have another similar figurine a giel with a blue scarf, Next up Staffordshire or I HOPE Sraffordshire, Will post pics of these probably next week, Stay tuned, and have a great night/day from S Texas,