Hallmark help on silver?/plate? warming dish

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  1. Scott Eidam

    Scott Eidam Well-Known Member

    hello everyone, found this lovely warming dish with built in burner today and only has hallmarks with no words. Im sure someone here could help out! Thank you! 20200906_123430_compress62.jpg 20200906_123504_compress1.jpg 20200906_123534_compress33.jpg
     
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  2. Aquitaine

    Aquitaine Is What It IS! But NEVER BORED!

  3. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    Are crossed keys for Papal States? Or have they been used by others?
     
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  4. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Nah. Silver plated. I've been through a couple online sites to see if I could find all of those pseudo-marks together on US made hollowware, but could not. May be British made, but that will take longer to find.
     
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  5. blooey

    blooey Well-Known Member

    Top bit is Old Sheffield Plate IMO circa 1840's
     
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  6. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    I disagree, Blooey. But let's find out if the 2 sets of marks are on separate pieces. @Scott Eidam ?
     
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  7. blooey

    blooey Well-Known Member

    fair enough, I was just looking at the seam which seemed to be OSP like, and the overdone border work which is a late sign of OSP ....maybe it's later and electroplate though, is that what you think?
    Stand/burner no idea, guessing marriage, late 19th or early 20thc IMO nothing to do with top
     
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  8. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    Those are not Hallmarks.....
     
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  9. blooey

    blooey Well-Known Member

    Old warming dishes (OSP) used hot water bath fitted stands, a pair of those big$$$$ ..unfortunately I only have a "single" :(
     
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  10. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    That is what I'm thinking - later (actually MUCH later) and EP.

    The stand and burner looks 20th century to me.
     
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  11. Adrian Lewis

    Adrian Lewis Journeyman

    Early-mid Victorian lidded serving dish. The spirit warming trays (mid-late Victorian)were separate items and rarely if ever matched. The lids quite often had detachable handles allowing them to be heated in the oven. The crossed keys are the stamp for Henry Wilkinson & Co, whose history in parts is a bit vague so this piece could possibly be OSP but by 1843 Wilkinson applied for an electro-plating license. If OSP, any wear from use and polishing will have the pinkish copper base showing through. Hope this helps in pinning it down.
    http://www.silvercollection.it/ENGLAWILKINSON.html
     
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  12. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Of course that is possible, Adrian. But - Wilkinson's keys were the other way around and all the examples of his marks include the initials for him or the firm. No random lion rampant or workman's arm. Just thoughts to keep in mind.
     
  13. ulilwitch

    ulilwitch Well-Known Member

    Can anyone see if there is a word right underneath the star please. Maybe just me.
     
  14. Adrian Lewis

    Adrian Lewis Journeyman

    Good point about the keys but after further research, the originator of the company John Parsons did use the reverse keys on OSP as did Wilkinson. Looks like your initial OSP thought was more on the button than my later EPNS, but a bit earlier than 1840s.

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  15. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    The OP will have to do that. I cannot see any of that as actual letters even by zooming in. There's something there, I agree, but what it is, I can't say.
     
  16. Aquitaine

    Aquitaine Is What It IS! But NEVER BORED!

    NOT a WORD.....looks more like an arrow or shaft to me.....I hesitate to make it larger than 2X.....after that TOPAZ usually starts to distort what's being enlarged......and the two bottom points on the star are blackened....

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  17. ulilwitch

    ulilwitch Well-Known Member

    Thank you Aquitaine. I had to decipher hundreds of crappy signatures at work plus their messages. When I first looked at the photo I though it said something like Dutch inc or something like that. Just me. Thanks again.
     
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  18. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member

    Eh, no time to do any looking around, but typically, OSP, if even marked, would use only one symbol and/or the maker's name - electroplaters used groups of symbols in their pseudo-marks, and various makers used some of the same symbols, so attributing to a specific maker on the basis of one symbol can be iffy...

    ~Cheryl
     
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