Hague School Painting

I have a large painting by Philip Lodewijk Jacob Frederik Sadée (Philip Sadée). Everything looks right to me except the signature. It fluoresces under a black light. Nothing else in the painting does other than 3 dark paint marks to the left of the basket that is turned to its side. The signature looks rigid to me (not free flowing). I was wondering if the painting looked like Philip Sadée's work. To me it does but perhaps the signature was reinforced? Opinions or any information would be appreciated (yes I know what auction it came from).

The seller has given me the option to return this painting after they look at it with a black light and see for themselves with me. Is it worth cleaning or should I just return it and be done with it? I thought it looked nice but the fact that there's possibly no original signature on it is worrisome.

http://s1268.photobucket.com/user/maxfrost1/library/Question

 

It is a very beautiful painting.
What I'm concerned with is the combination of Scheveningen fisherwomen on what looks like the Normandy coast.
Scheveningen is a fishing village near The Hague, it is one of the two villages where the Hague school painters painted.
There are no cliffs in The Netherlands, the nearest coastal cliffs are in France.
19th century Normandy dress was different from 19th century Scheveningen dress, the caps usually had impressive constructions.

 

Thank you for this information. I do not see cliffs in any of his other paintings but I don't think I've seen nearly close to all of them. His wikipedia page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Sadée says that "Sadée travelled widely, he painted in the Pas de Calais and travelled in France, Germany, Belgium and Italy."

 

Yes, I saw that. It is just the combination of the Scheveningen women and what looks like the Normandy coast that I find odd. Something to look into, I think.
It is a beautiful painting though. If it is a fake, it is a very nice one, but by someone who has never been to the Netherlands.

 

Scheveningen does have coastal cliffs. I've been there. They are not that tall but the Germans built bulwarks on the cliffs to protect them from the enemy and they have remained for tourists to wander about around.

 

Painters do exagerate things. From this vantage point, they look like overgrown sand dunes but from above, they are high.

 

I used to live about a kilometer from Scheveningen, in The Hague, and I can tell you, no coastal cliffs. The thing in the picture is a sand dune. I know the Scheveningen and Kijkduin dunes very well, I used to go there for walks. They were very much dunes, made of loose sand. The grass you see in your picture is planted there to keep the sand from being blown away.
I am Dutch and I can assure you, there are definitely no cliffs anywhere on the Dutch coast. They don't call it the Netherlands, Lowlands, Low Countries by the Sea for nothing.
The few small cliffs we have, are located inland, in the southeast of the country. The Dutch like to think they are mountains.
Slavante, St Pietersberg (St Peter's mountain):

 

Great country. I envy you that you've lived in that area on the coast. I enjoyed my time there. Yes. Overgrown sand dunes they are.
I do think painters exaggerate landscapes all the time. And those cliffs in the OP's painting don't represent the Dutch coast at all. Maybe it's somewhere else. This is one of my favorite Dutch paintings of that coast. This seems a bit exaggerated.

 

It is beautiful. Who is it by, I can't read the signature very well.

 

A. Achenbach?

 

I thought maybe Eschenbach, but I don't know any painter by either name.
The spire just left of the figures looks like the church spire of Scheveningen, in which case this dune would be Kijkduin. Duin is dune.
The village of Kijkduin is very proud of the dunes, which led to the design of a rather silly village crest, talk about artistic licence:

The 'Laan van Meerdervoort', the avenue where I used to live, runs from the centre of The Hague to Kijkduin. It was fantastic to be close to both the centre of town and the dunes.

 

Andreas Achenbach would be a German painter of the Düsseldorf school.

 

@Any Jewelry, best I could do to lighten up the siggy on the above lovely painting you liked of @Caribou's House's image: not very big, I know......first letter I think is either A or better yet R....

 

Thanks. It does look like Achenbach. It is probably the Düsseldorf painter, his work often has that special light. Düsseldorf is not far from the Netherlands and artists traveled a lot.

 

Is it a possibility that this painting is actually by Paul Huguenin? I found some of his paintings to look similar:

http://www.jamesalder.co.uk/paul-huguenin/mussel-gatherers-2/

http://www.jamesalder.co.uk/media/paintings/Paul-Huguenin-painting.jpg

 

That is a lovely painting. But the signature is different.
The Sadeé painting:


The Huguenin painting:


Both were painted in the style of the time, of popular subjects.

 

That signature on my painting is a forged one added later like I wrote in the first post. It fluoresces under a blacklight. This painting is unsigned. Compare it to real Sadee signatures online and they're nothing alike. Oddly though the painting looks like his work. It's much easier to fake a signature than a painting itself; this is what has confused me about all of this.

 

You're right, thanks for refreshing my memory.
I don't remember every detail of every thread that comes along, and can't read everything that is written in every thread all over again. Just read Hague school and "I have a large painting by Philip Lodewijk Jacob Frederik Sadée". Which you probably don't have, as it turns out.
The thing is, there were, and still are, so many painters attracted to the European Atlantic and North Sea coasts, that it will be impossible to determine who painted your painting just from photos on a site. We have to regard it as an unsigned piece, since someone put a fake signature on it. Maybe even a fake all together. It is best to take it to an expert who can see it up close and examine it.

 

I don't think any "expert" could tell me either. No it's not fake like a modern painting if that's what you mean. Look at the back of the canvas and craquelure/filth in the front. There was an attempt at a cleaning top left corner that was aborted. That was probably done by whoever decided to try to write the name on it. It's definitely a 19th century painting but I think I won't ever know who did it and I'm returning it to the auction I purchased it from.

 

That's probably the best thing. There are experts here in the Netherlands, I could advise you who to see here, but that is of no use to you.
I don't know about the canvas and craquelure, you didn't post any photos here, and it takes ages for me to access your photos on photobucket. I keep getting prompts urging me to join, and all sorts of ads keep popping up every time I hope to see some detail. Not an enjoyable experience, and very time consuming.