Featured Green Jadeite Scent Bottle + Silver

Hi everybody,

Today I have received this scent/perfume bottle.

I'm not really sure what material it's made of.
Either it's opaline glass, jade or jadeite, or jadeite glass.
Whatever they call it.

All I know is that it has this very amazing green color,
that glances very beautifully in the sun.

It has a silver cap, with a sword- mark.
I only know the Dutch swords, and I believe it's not one of these.

I must honestly say, that I haven't search on the mark yet,
as I was too hurried too share this found with you all.


Dimensions:
Height: 10,3 cm/
Width: 3,6 cm/
Depth: 2,5 cm/
Weight: 58 Gram.

The question I'm having are a little cliche...
-Material
-Age
-Origin


Thank you all very much in advance!
R. Antonis

 

Pictures of the silver hallmark.

 

I'd vote old moulded/mould blown glass. The green degradation on the lid worries me: that usually indicates brass, so this may be plated. I suspect it's possibly French or maybe Bohemian.

 

Beautiful scent/salts bottle!
Either glass or opaline, seems moulded not cut. I suspect it glows under UV/black light
Verdigris can occur on silver, from exposition to moisture or contamination by other metals which show verdigris...

Your mark seems to be the Netherlands/Dutch sword 1814 to 1905, pic D on this page:
http://www.925-1000.com/Fnetherlands_Date_Code.html

This timeframe is consistent with your bottle, I situe it around 1850

 

I agree with Obb on the glass, the name jade glass is often used. I wouldn't call it jadeite, because that specifies a certain kind of real jade.

I am thinking this could be a marriage, look at the lower rim of the silver top.
The verdigris can happen on silver as well, because of the copper content.
If the sword is a Dutch one, it looks most like the more recent swords, more 'knobbly' and with a smaller hilt, on the left in this picture:

But that seems inconsistent with the older look of the cap.

Belgium also used a sword, 1831-1869. I'll see if I can find a proper picture.

 

Kyra, you beat me to it.

Here is Belgium! Sword mark lower right, here it says until 1868.

 

Thank you all for your comments!

My first thought was opaline glass, English (don't ask me why),
ca. 1860.

 

I'll have a better look at the sword tonight when I'm home.

 

I'm inclined to think Belgium, because of the style and execution of the silver. Repoussé on Dutch silver tends to be more defined.
If it is pre-independence, before 1830, it could have a Dutch sword mark, post-independence a Belgian one.
I found this Belgian silver candlestick, ca 1850, with similar decoration on the base:

http://www.onlinegalleries.com/art-and-antiques/detail/antique-belgian-silver-candlestick/212472

 

Oohh, no, AJ, YOU beat me with your highly documented answer!

 

Thank you kindly, I luv pictures.

 

Just came home..

About the sword... I really can't tell myself.
you guys think it's Belgium?
(Ca. 1850)

The glass indeed contains uranium.
I lights up beautifully under the UV-light.

 

Yes, I think it could be Belgian silver on a bottle from......
Belgian glass, French, Bohemian?

 

A couple "similar" ones I found.

1) https://new.liveauctioneers.com/item/17040352_c1850-palais-royal-perfume-chest-hand-tooled-silver-g (only the glass seems the same)

2) http://www.ebay.com/itm/ANTIQUE-WHI...886572?hash=item5d729d8dac:g:5AoAAOSwq19XDSZo

3) https://www.rubylane.com/item/61838-1215952x20306/French-Blue-Opaline-Glass-Silver-Perfume?search=1

 

This is the best one I found..

https://nl.pinterest.com/pin/533817362052327758/

In the eBay link Baccarat was mentioned.
Not knowing where this was based on.

But still a nice one though

 

1) https://nl.pinterest.com/pin/38421403045733113/

2) http://www.museudelperfum.com/precomercial.php?codi=0472A

3) http://northeastauctions.com/produc...aline-glass-scent-bottles-nineteenth-century/

 

Funny, its several times recently I hear that verdigris is contagious from one metal surface to another, if there is copper in the metal composition or not. I always believed it showed the presence of copper, and the silver or gold surface was a finish or plating.

This is the usual definition:
Verdigris is the common name for a greenpigment obtained through the application of acetic acid to copper or the natural patina formed when copper, brass or bronze is weathered and exposed to air or seawater over a period of time.

I have found with the many metal articles I have owned, jewelry and decorative items, this is true. High grade silver did not have verdigris on it, if it has corrosion it is usually grey or black with the blending in with the tarnish and patina of age. 833 grade is too high for verdigris, so not sure what this means about the bottle. Probably a silver plated copper hinged lid, with wear on the edges where the copper should peek through slightly.

The lovely opaque green glass color and the ornate cap is very attractive. Early 20th in my opinion. Great piece to study for us.

 

You're right, it is not usually seen on 833. Belgium also used .800, so if it is Belgian silver, it could be .800, and the formation of verdigris would be from the silver alloy itself.

 

Thank very much for, I wanted to say "thinking WITH me", but it's really "thinkin FOR me", because I have no clue whatsoever.

But, what did come to my mind...

We're talking about the the glass most likely to be french.
The cap most likely to be Belgian.
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I believe... the cap has 2 pieces.
Of which only the one beneath shows verdigris.

Next to this, it also looks a little cheaper, although is has the same glance at some places.

Couldn't it be that the top op the cap is silver, which is also marked.

And the piece under the hinge is silverplated?
(Wheter or not they belong to eachother)

Although, it probably wouldn't be created as 1 piece silver, and 1 piece silver plated by the same maker.

You guys are the experts Belgian .800 to me sounds acceptable.,
and better than silverplated.
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By the way, I took it to 2 antique shops this afternoon.

They both (don't ask me why) didn't really take a look at it.
I told them there was a sword on it.
So they said: that's Dutch! 100% !.

Then I mentioned that Belgium also use a sword, and they denied it.
The fact they didn't even see the sword makes me not value their opinions very much, but just sayin

And thanks for your time and effort once again everybody!

 

I was thinking the same thing, although maybe not silverplated but two different silver grades. The hinge is not nicely finished on both sides, that is also a clue. But it is still a very nice bottle.

Well, now you know which shops not to go to for advice.
Belgian silver is not as well known as Dutch silver, so there is much ignorance about that in 'our silver country'. Ask them about Amsterdam or Frisian silver and everyone knows. But Belgian silver?