Gold, silver and steel case.

Discussion in 'Metalware' started by afantiques, Aug 9, 2015.

  1. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    This is a Japanese cigarette case, about 3 inches square, that started life with the gold and silver inlay showing against a near black background due to a 'blueing' treatment of the steel that leaves it covered with a very thin layer of magnetic iron oxide, closely chemically related to regular rust but without the tendency to swell up and fall off.

    This is often referred to as a 'gunmetal' finish.

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    Trouble is wear over the years turns the even black to the patchy grey and rust you see above. The back is even worse.

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    The inside is the original colour.

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    Has anyone got any ideas for 'smartening' this up? As it stands it is of minimal value so there is nothing much to lose. Brasso? (old joke)

    (The two shiny drops on the back are just water, probably my tears at its condition.)
     
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  2. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    Mineral oil will do a light cleaning and seal the areas that are starting to rust.
    I doubt you can bring it back to "good" condition.
     
  3. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    I forgot to say, I think this is damascene, also called niello when done on jewelry
     
  4. johnnycb09

    johnnycb09 Well-Known Member

    Doesn't soaking in coca cola remove rust ? Would it hurt the gold and silver ?
     
  5. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    Niello is a sulphur blackening process in silver, this is actual metal inlay, albeit very thin. I suppose I could try polishing and re-blueing the whole thing with gun blue.
     
  6. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    Would re-bluing damage the inlays?
     
  7. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member

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  8. gregsglass

    gregsglass Well-Known Member

    Hi AF,
    I would wash and soak the spots with vinegar. It will remove the "rust" and leave just a discolored area. Then paste wax it. It should look better. I used that on an old rifle I had that the gun metal polish wore away. It looked a lot better.
    greg
     
  9. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    What is paste wax?
     
  10. gregsglass

    gregsglass Well-Known Member

    Hi,
    Any solid wax like clear shoe polish. I use Butcher's wax or car wax or the best is shoe wax. Rub it on and then buff it. You want the removed "rust" from coming back.
    greg
     
  11. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    Fair enough. It just seems a shame after what seems to be fine work that it should end up in my odds and sods bin.
     
  12. terry5732

    terry5732 Well-Known Member

    Naval jelly has a tendency to turn treated steel black

    I think its phosphoric acid

    It removes bluing
     
  13. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    af, you might buy a Sunshine Cloth, available from sellers on Fleabay US. I've found them pretty effective with this sort of degradation.
     
  14. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    Is that different to a Goddards silver cloth?
     
  15. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    Yup. I use Goddards on silver, as one might guess. ;) The Sunshine Cloths seem to work much better on nasty gunk, and also are very effective on tarnished or mucky gold. They seem more generalist, for want of a better word - even on pearls or opals. I've bought from a seller called verasjewelry if I've got the spelling right. Decent price and reliable.

    I'd also say it's damascene, not Niello, agreed. Damascene being inlay and all that. Niello is what is used often in jewellery marked Siam, as an aside.
     
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