Gold Necklace Hallmark ID

Hello,

I have a gold necklace that I'm trying to ID the Hallmark on. I did an image search online and I believe it's a goat of some sort with the number 3 in the left field. Can anyone with a book on Hallmarks tell me a bit more about it?

Thanks,

Jeremiah

 

Could you post a photo of the whole thing please? Style and clasp can be very useful too.

 

Do these pictures help?

 

That does not look like any animal I've ever seen used as a silver mark. And the "3" looks more like a lower case b with a serif.

The closest to what you are calling a goat. seems to me to be the Moscow Russian city mark - St George slaying the dragon. But I have not found it inside the same cartouche shape as on your piece. Nor have I seen it with any number inside.

https://www.925-1000.com/Frussia_city_01.html

 

Out of curiosity, where did you find the animal illustrations with all the numbers?

 

That’s a pocket watch chain, not a necklace.

 

Bakersgma,

The necklace is gold not silver.

I found what I believe to be a matching Hallmark by just poring through a lot of pictures after doing a google search for "Gold hallmark Foreign". The picture I found leads here:

https://www.hallmarkresearch.com/html/BooksV1.htm

While I am interested in learning more about this piece, I'm not read to spend $250 for the book.

Anundverkaufen,

Why do you say it's a pocket watch chain? Isn't that a pendant on the end?

Thanks

 

Oh is it a ladies pocket watch chain?

 

I realize the item does not appear to be silver but there are a number of situations where a country uses some markings for both gold and silver.

 

I think it looks like a 'stunted' arrow of sorts pointing to the right corner, with a 1 on it and an X or something like it in the left corner.....to ME! Don't know what IF ANYTHING is in the lower right corner.....

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Aquitaine's pic and Jeremiah's pic are from 2 different areas of the item. Can you take a closeup of that mark, Jeremiah?

 

How long is it? Could it be a guard muffchain?
https://doyle.com/auctions/20jl01-f...144-long-antique-gold-muff-chain-enamel-slide

 

It's certainly Victorian and that's why the photos help. Dates can lead to identifying the mark.

Long for a watch chain, the muff idea makes sense.

 

Beautiful slide/watch chain.

I don't have the Book of Hallmarks but several other books on gold marks. So I'm sure I can tell you a bit more about it.

While the 1937-65 Hungarian mark you circled is very close to it, the mark on your slide/watch chain is slightly different and certainly older.
If your mark doesn't have a star on the right, it is an Austro-Hungarian mark for .750 gold (18k), 1866-1872.
I can't see a star on your mark, but if there is one, the period is 1872-1922.

So not Victorian, but Franz Joseph I.

 

I don't know about the UK, but here on the Continent ladies' watch chains were usually very long, and often held together by a slide. The watch would be tucked in the waistband, which often had a small pocket on the inside.

 

Clueless Yankee here, what is a muff chain, please?

 

A muff chain is a long chain with two clasps at either end to attach to a muff. Most muff chains are 18th century.
Much like the cords we used to have attached to our mittens as kids, but much more classy.

 

A muff?? What it that?

 

A muff is a warm woollen or fur roll thing you use to keep your hands warm.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muff_(handwarmer)

 

Thanks for the explanation AJ. I would not have thought of such a use.