Featured German Porcelain Bottle of Man on Barrel - Anyone have info?

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  1. dgbjwc

    dgbjwc Well-Known Member

    Hello everyone! I recently acquired this neat bottle at auction. It's about 6 1/4" tall and marked only with numbers on the bottom. It has a saying on the front but I can't quite make it out. As close as I decipher it says something like "Ich ben der turk don shoren" which google translate couldn't make much out of. The saying is raised lettering which proved to be difficult to photograph but I hope I got the words close enough that someone might recognize. A Google image search didn't turn anything up on this bottle either. The end of the lute is broken off at the hand and the top just sits on loosely now since the cork is long gone. Any help on the what, when, where would be appreciated. Thank you!
    Don


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  2. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    We're going to need to see your best attempt at capturing what it says. Maybe other eyes will see it differently & turn it into something comprehensible.
     
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  3. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    it's very sweet !
     
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  4. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    I am the Turkish guy , Don Shoren.......???
     
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  5. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    This is the best I can do with my lousy editing. I want it to say Scotch but doesn't really look like it.

    Ich bin der _ von _ ?

    Google says that's I am the _ of _

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  6. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    ya .... von scotch. from scotch..
     
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  7. dgbjwc

    dgbjwc Well-Known Member

    Thank you for that closeup, say_it_slowly. It's much better than I could have done.
     
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  8. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

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    Fiddling with it a little more. Definitely says Scotch.
     
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  9. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

  10. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    I read: Ich ben der Türk von Shoten. I'm sure Shoten isn't right, but it's definitely not Scotch, which isn't a German word anyway.
    Possibly a line from a popular song or play of the time.
     
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  11. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    Thanks for tagging me... Did I somehow volunteer to translate German? That was ambitious, if so! :hilarious:

    I've studied a little about the older German scripts, and just looked at some online sources to refresh my memory. I think the last word is the name of a place (either a town or country, maybe?), but can't be sure of the letters.

    I just saw @Any Jewelry 's post. I agree that the last word is not "Scotch." The only two letters I'm fairly sure of in that word are the "ot" in the middle. Interpreting the fourth word as "Turk" makes sense, given the context and the way the figure looks. But I actually can't see the last letter in that word at all. And true, the word on the figure is Türk, as AJ mentioned. I can see the umlaut now.

    So "I am the Turk from ___ " seems like a good partial interpretation.
     
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  12. Lark

    Lark Well-Known Member

    I would have bought him. I have a small collection of decanters that i have on my mantle for cooking spirits! One has vanilla it which i make my self.
     
  13. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    It could be, although in general 'from' would be 'aus' in German.
    'Von' can also be translated as 'of'.
     
  14. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    Oh, yes -- "of" also makes sense when referring to one's native place. So that is a better translation.
     
  15. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    The first letter of the last word looks a bit like the I in 'Ich', so maybe it is an I.
     
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  16. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    Don does it look like it could say Ich bin der Fürst von Thoren? This is a different item so doesn't identify the maker of yours anyway.

    Text:
    “Ich bin der Fürst von Thoren
    zum Saufen auserkoren.”

    (I am the prince of fools
    chosen to booze.)

    Fürst von Thoren (Prince of Fools) is the title character from a popular, though unattributed, German student drinking song, circa 1855. Text is the first two lines of that song.
    https://www.beerstein.net/item.asp?ItemNum=rme-2192
     
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  17. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    Think you've nailed it. The figure is, after all, singing.
     
  18. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Now that you mention it, that's what it says!
    And a line from a popular song was one of the likely possibilities.
     
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  19. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    Excellent! You've done it again.
     
  20. kentworld

    kentworld Well-Known Member

    SIS for the win!
     
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