fake sevres mark?

something about this seems fake. Its like a cross between Helena Wolfson and Sevres.

 

Hasn't ANYONE got a piece of Sevres with the REAL mark? Please! There was something on the British AR the other day, but I was at the other end of the room, and didn't turn around in time to see it.

 

I am sure that this is not a real piece of Sevres

 

I dont remember any of Napoleon's guys dressed in rose.

 

That smudging all over it makes me think fairly new Chinese.

 

The mark is an "impersonation" of a german mark formerly owned by Wilhelm Rittirsch.

 

well Im confused How is it any different than the one shown on your site:

 

the one shown here:

 

Marks aren't always the true story -- compare your item with these from the Wilhelm Rittirsch factory: https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf...BroQgIoDKAB6BAgDEAo&biw=1216&bih=641&dpr=2.25

 

First, I did look at other items that's why I'm asking. Secondly, Chris says its an "impersonation" of the Rittirsch mark, which I dont really understand. The marks looks identical to me. Most of the "fake" marks or whatever that I see from asia are similar but not an exact duplicate of the mark. There's a reason for that I suppose and its probably so they dont get accused of outright counterfitting.

To me, the original item I posted looks "fake" or not a real antique German item is because of the mottled grey look or as Johnny calls it "smudging". I've seen that on a lot of the arnart and similar items. Second the bottom has that waffle board or gridiron pattern which I also see on arnart a lot. So the piece is suspicious but the mark seems to be authentic, hence why I am confused.

Look at this piece supposedly from Rittirsch (from catawiki site), it kind of has that grey look to it:

 

Granted the gaudy pink/rose outfit and the pair of drums don't seem Napoleonic at all and the drums do seem asian. But still there's the mark is it a complete knock off or something similar? So if you have anything of substance to add then that would be Great.

 

I could very well be wrong, but the finish of your piece with all that "shading" or whatever the grey stuff is tends to make one think southeast asian imitation. Look at the faces of the of the examples you posted above -- not at all like your piece. So, again, marks aren't the whole story. It is an easy enough mark to copy. You bring up good points but in the end, I tend to think not a genuine German piece. I'm sorry I ruffled your feathers with my google comment, but really the genuine Rittirsch pieces look much different than your Garde Imperiale figure.

 

I dont disagree with your remarks either. The smudging is the first thing I noticed as well as the gridiron work on the bottom. And no it really doesn't look much like the other Rittirsch pieces Ive seen. you have to stretch to see much in common.

But what I was getting at, and what I was hoping you'd address is the mark is pretty much a perfect copy of the Rittirsch mark. Is it not? I dont really see that in any of the "fake" or knock off marks we've seen. They are always a little bit different. Right? And ther's a reason for that presumably to avoid being accused of trade violation. so what's going on here? Is this some bizarre Rittirsch piece with imaginary Napoleonic guys? or is it really an asian knock off with a carbon copy of a Rittirsch mark?

And yes that face just seems asian to me and to you, I think. So again must be a knock off of some sort.

And I dont understand Chris's remarks without any more explanation. I dont know what impersonation means. And I dont know if he sees something in that mark that is different than other Rittirsch marks. Something we dont see. So that's why I ask to see if there is more to learn.

ANyhow as far as I can tell, its still somewhat of a mystery. And a very interesting discussion so thank you.

 

It may remain a mystery why the mark looks genuine. I think Chris used "impersonation" to mean imitation, fake copy, etc. But I don't want to put words in his mouth!

 

Wilhelm Rittirsch, and a genuine mark. The "imitation" was the Martha Budich mark that was the same, with MB on the ends rather than WR.

 

Wilhelm Rittirsch and it's genuine. The "imitation" mark was the Martha Budich (or vice-versa) that had MB on the ends rather than WR. This is a genuine German mark.