European figural with this odd "J/R" mark. Trying to ID who made this, out of ideas

Perhaps it is some knock off.

 

If it's a knockoff, it's not a cheap one. Love the way the horse & the dog are also having a moment.

 

There's a mark known as "Johanson Roth" which some say was a distributor for Meissen and others no, but it's a different mark with the J and R joined to one another.

 

Closest I see in Rontgen is Krister, maybe some variant.


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I think it is Krister, Rontgen mark 2414. Ran from 1846 to 1972, Thuringia, Germany. There's nothing to suggest a more precise time period for the mark.

 

I want to say Sitzendorf, but it’s the other one that Chris Marshall was always correcting me on. Dang, can’t remember the name!

 

Found it on the site—Scheibe-Alsbach.
https://www.porcelainmarksandmore.com/germany/thuringia/scheibe-01/index.php

 

So Chris' site agrees with Rontgen. And still no way to narrow down a time frame.

 

no its Scheibe Alsbach I was just looking at the mark wrongly. elementary mistake. Thanks for all the help

 

Im not sure the technical term, but what do you call it when the clay itself appears more grayish or blueish as it does here?

 

Scheibe-Alsbach is a place. Krister is a company.

 

I dont understand moreother, are there other companies that use that mark in addition to Krister?

 

Seems to be the only porcelain company in Scheibe-Alsbach. It had a different name when it was founded. Krister became a partner in 1846 and sole proprietor in 1863. In 1972 the company was nationalized and the Krister name was dropped, it became Scheibe-Alsbach Porcelain Factory, but apparently the mark changed then as well. So this mark is specific to that company during its Krister period. All according to Rontgen.

 

thank you. The reason I ask is that I Scheibe Alsbach used to designate the company that makes a lot of those porcelain soldiers, Napoleon and his marshalls etc. So I guess technically I should use the name Krister for those with certain marks before 1972 and afterwards the company is Scheibe ALsbach. So thanks.

 

You should say both Krister and Scheibe-Alsbach. Give em what they're looking for.

 

According to Chris’ site, it depends on date whether it’s Kister or Scheibe-Alsbach (East Germany). Kister before 1972. I think this is pre-1972, but unsure of date as some of these large pieces were made in the 60s.


[6] : Porzellanmanufaktur Kister K.G. Scheibe-Alsbach (1962 until 1972)
Since the German Democratic Republic had been founded in 1949 the overall economic interests slowly shifted in the direction of integrating the well known porcelain manufacturers into the process of gaining urgently needed foreign currency. Control of the cashflow was the main problem but the state solved it by simply forcing larger factories into a mixed company form that allowed state participication. The factory in Scheibe-Alsbach was put under this form of state supervision in the year 1962 and the status remained until the factory was totally nationalized in 1972.

[7] : V.E.B. Porzellanmanufaktur Scheibe-Alsbach (1972 until 1990)
Completely under state control, the factory was reorganized and grouped under the ⇒V.E.B. Zierporzellanwerke Lichte. Like many state-owned facilities in the German Democratic Republic, the factory had to go through years of mismanagement. Perhaps it would have been even worse if the company had not been so well-known but still the factory was in a desolate state when it was finally reprivatized in 1990.

 

thanks.

 

I've been spelling it wrong. Kister, not Krister