English? Porcelain Cup & Saucer

Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by ascot, Jan 12, 2015.

  1. ascot

    ascot Well-Known Member

    I have a pair of these large cups and saucers. The saucers are 7" in diameter and have high 1 1/2" sides. The cups are 2 7/8" high and have a top diameter of 4 5/8". They're hand painted with a slightly raised decoration. Unmarked.

    Are they English? Any ideas on age or maker or pattern name?

    Thanks so much!

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  2. terry5732

    terry5732 Well-Known Member

    I don't think there is unmarked British
     
  3. Lucille.b

    Lucille.b Well-Known Member

    The diameter of the cup might be a hint -- 4 5/8ths inches across is definitely a larger size.

    Just looking at the pattern, I might guess Japanese bone China. I run across pretty cups and saucers at my thrift and I'm always thinking they are going to be British, but a surprising number are Japanese.
     
  4. ascot

    ascot Well-Known Member

    Actually, I think there's quite a bit of English china (earthenware, etc) that's unmarked. I have only 2 of Godden's books and although I didn't see a set exactly like this, the cup handle and upturned rim of the saucer are what led to think England was a possibility.
     
  5. johnnycb09

    johnnycb09 Well-Known Member

    I have one that was shaped like this that was identified as English,circa 1830-40s. But it doesnt have an indention in the saucer,nor is it as large.The shapes are pretty identical though.
     
  6. ascot

    ascot Well-Known Member

    Thanks, johnnycb. My thoughts were mid 19th century. Funny, the saucer isn't indented for the cup--just a painted circle edged in blue, whereas today there'd be an indent within the circle. The set looks like a large tea bowl and saucer, but with a handle on the bowl.
     
  7. kentworld

    kentworld Well-Known Member

  8. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

  9. yourturntoloveit

    yourturntoloveit Well-Known Member

    The following link has an interesting history of tea/coffee being "saucered" (and sometimes with the addition of the word "blowed").

    Even if it has no relation to the cup/saucer in question, it is an interesting and informative (to me at least) look at long-ago customs in the drinking of tea and coffee.

    http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-sau1.htm
     
  10. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    There's lots of British baked earth that isn't marked. I'd agree with 1820s - 40s: the decoration is more delicate than the later florid High Victorian stuff. Pretty thing.
     
  11. ascot

    ascot Well-Known Member

    Thank you all so much!
     
  12. 42Skeezix

    42Skeezix Moderator Moderator

    The pattern is very unusual. I've always liked this type C&S. Had dozens of 'em over the years. I've never seen this very striking pattern before. Considering the size it must be impressive in person.

    Yourturn...The link you posted missed a very important aspect of the "saucered and blowed" practice, at least as far as Antiquers are concerned. Where did they put their cups when drinking from the saucers? Why CUP PLATES of course.

    Early nineteenth century cup plates in glass and pottery have been avidly sought since American Antiquers got goin' strong about a hundred years ago. These little three inch jewels may best be represented by the ever popular Sandwich Glass Co. pressed glass cup plates, circa 1824-1840.

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  13. Parisrae

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  14. Parisrae

    Parisrae New Member

    This is definitely english in origin. It has the London shape. I put this around early 1800's. Start looking for makers like Derby, Rathbone and Coalport. Then go from there.
     
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    Parisrae New Member

     
  16. Parisrae

    Parisrae New Member

    Before the tariff act of McKinley countries did not have to mark their wares. Just an FYI.
     
  17. janetpjohn

    janetpjohn Well-Known Member

    You do see that this question is from January?
     
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  18. gregsglass

    gregsglass Well-Known Member

    Hi Janet,
    Thank you for pointing that out. I was racking my brain trying to figure out why that pattern looked so familiar. It was a deja vu feeling.:eek:
    greg
     
  19. ascot

    ascot Well-Known Member

    Thank you for your input, Parisrae. I can always use additional information.
     
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