Does anyone think this is older,

Again found this packed away, candlestick holder and am 90% sure it is Mexican, I remember buying it at an estate sale and was told it was from New Mexico as lady who owned it lived in NM for many years It is very heavy, the crimped edges are not the usual tin you see in Mexican items but same metal as rest of piece and could be brass or just painted over, 2nd item which probably came from same sale is much cruder in design and execution, It is a single candle holder and is tin. again thank you

 

The first appears to be wrought iron. Does a magnet stick? Think it to be pretty modern and Mexico is a good bet for origin. . The second seems to have some age to it or hung outside where it aged quickly.

 

The 2nd one, a crimped tin candle sconce, may very well be old, late 1700s/early 1800s, but then again reproductions are a plenty. The rib front forming a panel was a common design for these. The diamond design on the panel is a bit different but not out of the ordinary. Looks like the candlecup may have been resoldered on a couple of times. With no ledge or sides to form a drip pan around the candlecup still there, is sure evidence that it has had yearsssss of wear and tear. I doubt reproductions would be made with this much damage???

--- Susan

 

thank you both so much, Wow I am excited to think it might be that old, that beat up old sconce is going right up on the wall with some retablos, and a candle in it, and yes Brad it sticks to a magnet.

 

If that second one is as old as it looks, it was someone's prized possession, so no wonder they'd repair it. Early on, metal was tough to come by in those remote (then) Spanish colonies and such a thing would have been pretty expensive. I'd imagine a reproduction wouldn't have those crude repairs. I know little or nothing directly about Southwestern antiques, but my late dad was a metallurgist and he taught me some stuff whether I wanted to learn or not.

 

The forked feet on the first each show signs of hand forging. The tinner's rivits holding the three feet to the base are old school. The top hook for hanging is also blacksmith forged. I'd guess 1870-1900 for both based on construction methods used.

 

thank you all so much, I really appreciate all the information.

 

A lot of modern wrought iron being made using old methods. I have my doubts about the first one being old.