Featured did Danish jewellers use Gablonzer Strass ?

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  1. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    I have a brooch and I wonder where the rhinestones come from.
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  2. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    A very striking piece, Fid. Is the glass/crystal cut or molded?
    Either are highly unusual for Danish Skonvirke. They did use glass, but I've only ever seen that cabochon cut.
    The floral pinched bezels also look more Austro-Hungarian. Who is it by? Do you know if the maker spent some time in the Danube monarchy?
     
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  3. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member

    Can only make out initials in your pic, perhaps a bit more information on the maker? Would think older than Skonvirke, to my eye, looks more like work from early-mid 19th century Schleswig-Holstein and on up into Jutland - the faceted glass stones used would have most likely been Bohemian...

    ~Cheryl
     
  4. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    Martin Peter Wulff, Copenhagen 1905 - 1937, 826 silver
     
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  5. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Bohemian glass stones and beads were certainly traded to northern Germany and used in regional jewellery there.
    I wouldn't use the word strass in this case, these stones were not made to resemble diamonds. Strass is made of a special kind of glass. These are simply 'honest' red glass stones, made of regular glass.
     
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  6. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Did he ever visit, or was he inspired by, the Danube monarchy? Referring to both the use of faceted glass and the pinched bezels I mentioned before.
     
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  7. silverthwait

    silverthwait Well-Known Member

    AJ! Quit pinching those bezels!!
     
  8. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member

    So the second mark is '826S'?

    ~Cheryl
     
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  9. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    yes.
     
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  10. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    They like it, can't you hear them giggling?:playful:
     
  11. silverthwait

    silverthwait Well-Known Member

    Is that what that strange squeaking is!
     
  12. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    That could be the sound of our brains trying to work out an answer for Fid with the little information he seems to be willing to supply. (sigh)
    He is asking about strass or possible Bohemian glass stones. Cheryl has a vast knowledge, and I collect Austro-Hungarian jewellery, including of course Bohemian, yet he seems to be reluctant to provide any information......:confused:
     
  13. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member

    So that '826S' mark should date later than when the 1888 regulation was passed, or 1893 when it was put in effect (unless added later) - if the Wulff attribution was from 925-1000 or nobelantik, should be noted that they list the mark as 'M.P.W.', perhaps I'm just not seeing the periods. The style and use of those glass stones wasn't typical of Copenhagen silver, but certainly possible that it was produced as an 'historical' or 'traditional' piece, the link and image below are of a circa 1900 hovedvandsæg by Ringsted silversmith Fritz Sophus Albertus, who in the first half of the 20th century, produced 'replicas' complete with a variety of pseudo-marks. (Any Jewelry - please note the similar style of the bezels, though plain or sawtooth bezels would be more typical.)

    https://www.lauritz.com/en/auction/fritz-sophus-albertus-hovedvandsaeg-af-soelv/i5116283/#

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    The page below is from Jargstorf's 'Ethnic Jewelry from Africa. Europe, and Asia' (2000):

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    Danish spoon with red glass by Jacob Andreas Bodewadt of Tønder, dated 1814:

    https://www.lauritz.com/da/auktion/...-af-soelv-med-flusser-toender-1814/i2026119/#

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    My Schleswig-Holstein spoon with red glass, dated 1832:

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    ~Cheryl
     

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  14. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Gorgeous pieces, Cheryl.
     
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  15. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    there are periods and the date given by the seller was
    I will look deeper into your sources tomorrow - too tired right now. thanks a lot and good night.
     
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  16. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member

    Don't really have any other information, if the periods are there then perhaps it is Martin Peter Wulff - the list of marks on 925-1000 and nobelantik are basically the same, with a few various additions to each, neither show many images of actual marks, and I find very little information on Wulff here in the U.S. It's a nice brooch, your question was regarding the red glass sets - Danes as well as jewellers and silversmiths in many other countries used Bohemian/Czech glass, and yours probably are from Gablonz regardless of whether 19th century or early 20th...

    ~Cheryl
     
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