Dating this painting (period circa ?)

Hello friends,
today I would like to take advantage of your kindness and competence. To your attention this anonymous painting, on canvas; it has various crackles, even the hook looks old to me. But to date it, I need you, as I am not yet an expert in painting.
I bought it this morning at our local street market that they do on Sunday morning, so probably the painting comes from the attic or from the living room of some private person in the province of Rome.
Thanks to everyone for the advice and help
Measurements: 50 cm x 40 cm














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Did you get this with the other piece? Looks like someone has distressed the back of canvas in the same way the back of the wooden plaque was distressed. As to age depicted, her dress looks like it has a bustle so 1870s-ish.

Debora

 

Doesn't look right, sorry gianluca

If it is paintwork, it looks so distant from what ever has been applied on top of it

The aging on the back has been added like long brush strokes, like someone was painting a window

 

no, the wooden panel comes from an other purchase, made during the covid period....
Yes you're right, the back seems to be afflicted.
Thanks, the bustle dates 1870s yes it's the same.
I was noticing, through the internet, that that hook appeared in the Art Nouveau period, therefore the end of the 19th century and the beginning of the 20th century.
Presumably, could we date the painting to that time?
Or maybe in the first half of the 20th century?
When I saw it, the hook is the first thing that caught my attention.

 

In your 11th photo the craquelure looks like a reproduction of craquelure, not actual fine cracks.

 

Yes, you are right, surely the back has been aged more than it was already old, I also see the traces of long brushstrokes. But frontally, from the crackles on the canvas and from the hook, I seem to understand that it is not a recent painting, tell me what you think

 

It reminds me of Whistler in some ways. The dress could be like this in back.

 

omg even the crackle is a reproduction ? So.... even the hook ? :-D

 

beautiful painting... yes it could be, you got it thanks a lot

 

I don't think the painting is new but I'm doubtful that it's as old as it pretends to be.

Debora

 

That's how the crackling looks to me, judging from photos. But if you have it in front of you, you should be able to tell whether or not there are actual breaks in real paint. If you run a fingertip very gently across the surface, does it feel smooth or rough? (More than the roughness of the canvas.)

 

Yes, the painting is here with me, I'll do the test immediately and I'll update you, thanks

 

I ran the tip of my finger on the surface, and on the areas affected by the presumable crackle, I feel interruptions, I certainly find more roughness than the canvas. I don't know if this is good or bad

 

I am with Debora on this. The use of staples on the back indicates pretty modern. Here in the US, staples were not commonly used until the 60s. There is no indication that this is older and has been restretched. No previous tack holes are present.

 

whether it is a real painting or not is up for debate, as i think i do see some paintwork, but that could be just hightlighted touches

any kind of sloppy fake aging is never a great sign if you think about it

 

It's good because it rules out some kind of print. Unfortunately, the world is full of copies of painting that were painted themselves by another hand.. But, as others are noting, the piece shows signs of artificial aging.



Here it looks like something painted on the metal to make it look old was sloppily applied & now the wood also looks rusted.

 

ah yes, this is a great info, i did not think about it.
Thanks

 

yes yes, i'm on your side, i got it in a rush because the price was very cheap

 

Lack of natural wear where it should be expected -- like the hook is always -- a red flag.

Debora

 

yes, it doesn't look like real dirt to me, it looks like dry bituminous wax, actually. But under this "black" I can see that the hook is really rusty