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Copeland Spode Dinner Set

Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by Barn Owl, Nov 2, 2017.

  1. Barn Owl

    Barn Owl Well-Known Member

    I found 5 dinner plates and 5 small plates. They are marked:
    Spode
    Copeland's China
    England

    Made for Charles R. Lynde
    Boston

    Any idea of the pattern and age? Spode seems to be valuable, but how do I know if I have something good?
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  2. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Hmmm. The pattern number is R7139 (did I read that number correctly?)

    If so, Replacements shows it with a painted or decal design in the center field (the white part.) But since they have no inventory (or even information about pieces they don't have) their picture can't be "enlarged." They also have no details about dates, although I would think it relatively recent, both because of the mark and the modernity of the "design."
     
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  3. Barn Owl

    Barn Owl Well-Known Member

    Yeah, that's what it says. I looked on Replacements and found the plate you're talking about. It's weird how it doesn't have the decorated center. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/Spode_3.JPG/220px-Spode_3.JPG says that the mark dates from 1891-1900, but it's the only mention I found...
     
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  4. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

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  5. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    It wouldn't be the first time that what I perceived as a modern day plate was actually much earlier. ;)
     
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  6. SBSVC

    SBSVC Well-Known Member

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  7. Barn Owl

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  8. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    I really don't know, Barn Owl. You'll have to check out the usual online sale/auction sites to see whether there are even more out there.
     
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  9. SBSVC

    SBSVC Well-Known Member

    Here's a bit more about the retailer, giving further credence to the thought that these plates are older (albeit after 1910), rather than newer. These are all (separate) entries from The Crockery and Glass Journal, NY, 1910:

    Charles R. Lynde will open a china and glass wareroom on September first at 424 Boylston Street/(Berkely Building). He has been connected with Richard Briggs Co. for twenty- five years and will have a fine wareroom. This store will make the sixth in an area of three blocks.

    Charles R. Lynde has returned from a visit to the New York market. Mr. Lynde has a force of carpenters building the appointments for his new store in the Berkely Building and expects to open it shortly after October 1st.

    Owing to the length of time required to finish his new store, Charles R. Lynde was unable to open October 1. He hopes to be in readiness in about two weeks. Mr. Lynde was with the Richard Briggs Co. for twenty-five years. His new warerooms are in the Berkeley Building.

    Charles R. Lynde has opened his new store in the Berkeley Building with an excellent display. F.W. Smart, formerly with W. H. Glenny, of Buffalo, and later with Jones, McDuffee & Stratton Co., is now with Mr. Lynde.

    Charles R. Lynde, the Back Bay china and cut glass dealer, reports a good, seasonable business .
     
  10. Barn Owl

    Barn Owl Well-Known Member

    Awesome! I'm surprised how old they are, because they're in good condition compared to the other plates I found and they don't look like how I imagine antiques should look.
     
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  11. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    Found one mention that shop was around from about 1865, which seems unlikely to be correct, as a Charles R. Lynde graduated from a Boston high school in 1882 & sailed to England on the Aquitania in 1921. Seems to have dealt in fine china from all makers. Saw not only Spode Copeland, also Royal Doulton, Lenox, T&Y of Limoges, France.
     
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  12. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    He went into the business almost straight out of high school.
     
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  13. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Has anyone seen a credible reference for when the business closed for good under the Lynde name? One post I say said he died in 1935, but if he had partners or family in the business with him, it could have continued, at least for a while.
     
  14. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Ah for the good ol' days, when an enterprising young man could get somewhere in life without going to college. ;)

    He was "with" Briggs, but he could have started in the shipping department or the mail room.
     
  15. SBSVC

    SBSVC Well-Known Member

    Well, Bronwen, at least based on the mentions I noted from The Crockery and Glass Journal, NY, 1910, you're right that 1865 seems far too early, but yes, it appears he went to work right out of high school, ca 1885!

    Barn Owl, in this day and age, what is most appealing about your plates is that they are so darned SIMPLE! (And I am not saying that facetiously! For many young folks today, it's "the plainer, the better" as far as tableware goes.)

    Even so, your plates would look lovely with my own china, which I purchased in Japan in 1980. It's white with wide dark blue bands, very well accented with gold. The "plainness" of yours would really work with the "fussy-er" decor of mine! I like it!
     
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  16. SBSVC

    SBSVC Well-Known Member

    Bakers, the LAST reference I found for him at that location was in 1918. (He advertised in a few publications that I saw, ending at that time.)

    Unfortunately, this means very little, since, as they say, "not everything is on the internet!" - and not everything on the internet is "free" for the reading!
     
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  17. Bronwen

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  18. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    The trade publication with the tidbit about the 1921 trip starts by mentioning someone else making the voyage to visit English porcelain factories, then adds that Lynde will also be a passenger. Seems likely he was going for the same purpose. He would have been in his late 50s by then.
     
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  19. Barn Owl

    Barn Owl Well-Known Member

    Thank you! I'm hoping that their plainness works to my advantage.
    No, there isn't anything like that. Just the number with a small triangle.
     
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  20. janetpjohn

    janetpjohn Well-Known Member

    The potteries.org says c. 1891 into the 20th century. Still vague.
     
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