Copeland Spode Dinner Set

I found 5 dinner plates and 5 small plates. They are marked:
Spode
Copeland's China
England

Made for Charles R. Lynde
Boston

Any idea of the pattern and age? Spode seems to be valuable, but how do I know if I have something good?

 

Hmmm. The pattern number is R7139 (did I read that number correctly?)

If so, Replacements shows it with a painted or decal design in the center field (the white part.) But since they have no inventory (or even information about pieces they don't have) their picture can't be "enlarged." They also have no details about dates, although I would think it relatively recent, both because of the mark and the modernity of the "design."

 

Yeah, that's what it says. I looked on Replacements and found the plate you're talking about. It's weird how it doesn't have the decorated center. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/Spode_3.JPG/220px-Spode_3.JPG says that the mark dates from 1891-1900, but it's the only mention I found...

 

Very interesting variety of hits for Charles R Lynde, Boston on Google. Apparently (not yet verified) the gentleman owned a china shop in Boston from some time in the 1800's and died in 1935.

https://www.google.com/search?sourc.....0.15.1166...46j0i131k1j0i46k1.0.dqHynC45q8k

 

It wouldn't be the first time that what I perceived as a modern day plate was actually much earlier.

 

Charles R Lynde was sometimes referred to as "the Back Bay China and Cut Glass Dealer" of Boston.
Here's a 1913 photo of his shop (at left) at 424 Boylston Street:

from:
https://www.historicnewengland.org/explore/collections-access/capobject/?refd=PC017.01.01.03.3710

 

@Bakersgma Do you think the fact that they're marked would increase or decrease their value?

 

I really don't know, Barn Owl. You'll have to check out the usual online sale/auction sites to see whether there are even more out there.

 

Here's a bit more about the retailer, giving further credence to the thought that these plates are older (albeit after 1910), rather than newer. These are all (separate) entries from The Crockery and Glass Journal, NY, 1910:

Charles R. Lynde will open a china and glass wareroom on September first at 424 Boylston Street/(Berkely Building). He has been connected with Richard Briggs Co. for twenty- five years and will have a fine wareroom. This store will make the sixth in an area of three blocks.

Charles R. Lynde has returned from a visit to the New York market. Mr. Lynde has a force of carpenters building the appointments for his new store in the Berkely Building and expects to open it shortly after October 1st.

Owing to the length of time required to finish his new store, Charles R. Lynde was unable to open October 1. He hopes to be in readiness in about two weeks. Mr. Lynde was with the Richard Briggs Co. for twenty-five years. His new warerooms are in the Berkeley Building.

Charles R. Lynde has opened his new store in the Berkeley Building with an excellent display. F.W. Smart, formerly with W. H. Glenny, of Buffalo, and later with Jones, McDuffee & Stratton Co., is now with Mr. Lynde.

Charles R. Lynde, the Back Bay china and cut glass dealer, reports a good, seasonable business .

 

Awesome! I'm surprised how old they are, because they're in good condition compared to the other plates I found and they don't look like how I imagine antiques should look.

 

Found one mention that shop was around from about 1865, which seems unlikely to be correct, as a Charles R. Lynde graduated from a Boston high school in 1882 & sailed to England on the Aquitania in 1921. Seems to have dealt in fine china from all makers. Saw not only Spode Copeland, also Royal Doulton, Lenox, T&Y of Limoges, France.

 

He went into the business almost straight out of high school.

 

Has anyone seen a credible reference for when the business closed for good under the Lynde name? One post I say said he died in 1935, but if he had partners or family in the business with him, it could have continued, at least for a while.

 

Ah for the good ol' days, when an enterprising young man could get somewhere in life without going to college.

He was "with" Briggs, but he could have started in the shipping department or the mail room.

 

Well, Bronwen, at least based on the mentions I noted from The Crockery and Glass Journal, NY, 1910, you're right that 1865 seems far too early, but yes, it appears he went to work right out of high school, ca 1885!

Barn Owl, in this day and age, what is most appealing about your plates is that they are so darned SIMPLE! (And I am not saying that facetiously! For many young folks today, it's "the plainer, the better" as far as tableware goes.)

Even so, your plates would look lovely with my own china, which I purchased in Japan in 1980. It's white with wide dark blue bands, very well accented with gold. The "plainness" of yours would really work with the "fussy-er" decor of mine! I like it!

 

Bakers, the LAST reference I found for him at that location was in 1918. (He advertised in a few publications that I saw, ending at that time.)

Unfortunately, this means very little, since, as they say, "not everything is on the internet!" - and not everything on the internet is "free" for the reading!

 

This blog page talks about date marks. Anything like that on your pieces, a letter above 2 numbers?

http://spodehistory.blogspot.com/2011/01/dating-your-spode-pieces.html

 

The trade publication with the tidbit about the 1921 trip starts by mentioning someone else making the voyage to visit English porcelain factories, then adds that Lynde will also be a passenger. Seems likely he was going for the same purpose. He would have been in his late 50s by then.

 

Thank you! I'm hoping that their plainness works to my advantage.

No, there isn't anything like that. Just the number with a small triangle.

 

The potteries.org says c. 1891 into the 20th century. Still vague.