Chinese Vase Mark

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  1. Max2000

    Max2000 New Member

    Hello, hope everyone is well.
    Having a hard time with this particular mark. Chinese, Japanese? and what time frame. Thank you for your time.

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  2. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    This should help. What Google Translate has to say.

    Debora

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  3. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Japanese. Probably not very old, but pleasing to the eye.
    Pity about the chip though, that affects any value it might have.
     
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  4. Marote

    Marote Well-Known Member

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  5. laura9797

    laura9797 Well-Known Member

    I just don't understand the faux grazing. so distracting and no longer related to age.
     
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  6. wlwhittier

    wlwhittier Well-Known Member

    In a few cases, I find it quite attractive, faux or no. Mostly on pieces without other decoration, or very little...an' where the crazing has a very uniform appearance, particularly very small particles without severe contrast between the glaze color an' that of the crazing.
    I've always had the idea that there must be a high degree of skill, an' perhaps a bit of serendipity, in the technique used for such a subtle effect.
     
  7. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    It is a very old technique, one of many developed in East Asia centuries ago, along with other glazing experiments. It was never intended to fake, but just part of the 'imperfect perfection/perfect imperfection' in East Asian art, just like Japanese raku for instance.
     
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  8. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

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  9. wlwhittier

    wlwhittier Well-Known Member

    Wabi-sabi...
    The term is a combination of the Japanese words wabi and sabi, which translate to "less is more" and "attentive melancholy" respectively.
    Attentive Melancholy; the term is delicious, an' oddly satisfying...don't you think?
     
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  10. kentworld

    kentworld Well-Known Member

    Google translate gives me Chinese -- Yī sōng zhèng. And there is the honorific reign mark on it, too.
     
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  11. Marote

    Marote Well-Known Member

    It could actualy be a google translate mistake, as on the hotel site 'Matsumasa' is written as 松政, and google also translates this to matsumasa.
    The restaurant is 京料理 松正
    Google translates this to Kyoto Cuisine Matsumasa, but on the restaurant site you can see '京料理 松正 Kyo Ryori Matsusyo'
    For 京料理 google translate shows the pronunciation Kyō ryōri, matching the first part of the name on the site, so 松正 should probably be translated to Matsusyo
     
  12. wlwhittier

    wlwhittier Well-Known Member

    It could actually be a google translate mistake...

    You Nice. You Good. You SMART!
     
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  13. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Yes, wabi-sabi is part of that East Asian way of thinking.
     
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  14. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    I don't know anything about Japanese grammar, but maybe matsusyo is a conjugation of matsumasa?
     
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  15. laura9797

    laura9797 Well-Known Member

    That is interesting. I remember having a conversation with one of my consignors at the auction house who was Chinese and would get in freight containers brought over with tons of porcelain/ceramics. Not old but modeled after high selling pieces that were nice replicas of Ming period, etc. Whenever a particular piece sold for good money at Sotheby's or Christies, they would make the reproductions in large number for the American market. He said the crazing would never be exaggerated in the true old pieces because it wasn't a forced technique. I just find it a bit distracting in these new pieces.
     
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