Chinese blue & white dish, questions.

I this 9" dia plate old? No markings, but there are indentations on bottom. Any help appreciated.

My first time posting on this board, happy to see all my ebay Antiques board friends here.

Andy

 

Welcome aboard!

The unglazed ring sort of has the look of old, but the blue tinted clear overglaze says turn of the century

 

There is something about it that bothers me, and I'm not sure if I can put my finger on it. The back is messy, and the design just doesn't look right.

If it is indeed old I would put it in the 1880s or after.

Canton Ware
http://aarf.com/fecant98.htm

Images - notice how the designs flow, they're not painted in hash marks.

https://www.google.com/search?q=can...Bg&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAw&biw=1588&bih=1028&dpr=0.85

 

>There is something about it that bothers me, and I'm not sure if I can put my finger on it. The back is messy, and the design just doesn't look right...

Canton Ware<

I had that same thought, but as my experience with this ware is limited, I didn't comment. I only have 1 piece, rice bowl, of Canton that was ID on the PGP for me. Also wasn't sure whether this dish might be Canton or Nanking ware. I think??? Nanking ware is more refined than Canton and the borders are different. I never can remember what border belongs to each. Is one a lattice border and the other a diaper border? I just don't have or know a good source to compare the 2.

--- Susan

 

To my eye, it appears to be a 19th C. Canton piece.

 

These stenciled designs seem to date late 19th/early 20th c. most often.

 

Kentworld DO you think that this is a stencil? I looks hand painted to me.

Thank you for your inputs and links.

Andy

 

Well, that's what I call it -- the broken lines suggest a template that is painted over and then the painter adds/fills in after. The darker blue means that there is more blue paint. Handpainted in a sense, as it's not a transfer, but not free handpainted, if you get my meaning.

 

I know little about pots (or pans) but could it be European in pseudo Chinese style, and thus possibly Dutch Delft or one of the early British makers, and so 18th C. or earlier?

For actual Chinese it looks really rough.

 

Seen a number of similarly decorated items ID'd as Japanese as well as Chinese (maybe Nuffsaid would know definitively), but usually late 19th/early 20th c as I said above. Both Japanese and Chinese wares can be sublime or rubbish.

 

Kentworld I agree with stencil. AF I never considered the Delft.
Many possibilities of origin, I just wish there was a way to know for sure.

Andy

 

These pieces look similar in both design and quality of the painting...

http://www.eliteauction.com/catalogues/100513/view.php?id=123
http://www.eliteauction.com/catalogues/100513/view.php?id=122

 

The plate shown is Popeye the Sailor to the Mona Lisa to the ones in the auctions, the almost cartoonish decoration is very evidently either a terrible job or an imitation.

But maybe it dates from a very early period before they discovered skill.

 

Ha!

Or maybe was done by an apprentice, or on a day when the artisan had the flu.