Can't figure the origin of this sterling pin with turquoise. Help, please.

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  1. patd8643

    patd8643 Well-Known Member

    Thanks for taking a look at this brooch. First thought it was Czech but most Czech pieces similar are not sterling and don't use real turquoise. Also, their backs are not as complicated. Is this native american or ? Can't find a similar piece. Does the turquoise look American? It is 1 3/4" long and about an inch wide. Thanks again for your help.
    Patd

    Frt 1.jpg Frt 2.jpg Bck 2.jpg Bck 1.jpg Mrk 1.jpg
     
  2. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    What a strange combination. I've never seen identified NA work with so much scrolling and such, so I wouldn't think so. But I guess there's always a first time!
     
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  3. Hollyblue

    Hollyblue Well-Known Member

    Looks like a "marriage" piece,there appears to be a mark on the bottom back next to one of the raised "balls" on the right.
     
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  4. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    That's a strange piece.
    Art Nouveau meets American Indian.

    Wonder if it's 1970s. A lot of Art Nouveau jewelry was copied and expanded on. There was sort of a revival Art Nouveau.
     
  5. patd8643

    patd8643 Well-Known Member

    I think you are right but it is tiny. Here is the best picture I could get.
    Small Mark 1.jpg

    Do you think it could be Mexican?
     
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  6. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    Picture is too small to see.
    Do you have a pencil eraser? Rub it lightly over the mark, might be able to read it a little better.
    Do you have a magnifying glass? Try taking a picture through that.
     
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  7. Hollyblue

    Hollyblue Well-Known Member

    Probably American made revival piece which had a rectangular center stone with a smaller round stone on each side of the rectangle,at least that's what it looks like from the back.If I had it in hand I might be able to see it better.
     
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  8. patd8643

    patd8643 Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the suggestions, Pat. Will try those in the morning.
    Patd
     
  9. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    that;s a really nice pin.......I see no NA influence.
     
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  10. Pat P

    Pat P Well-Known Member

    Could the stones have been added later? The pin back is so regular and professional, and definitely looks Art Nouveau, while the bezels around the stones are very irregular and not professional-looking at all... and almost the opposite of Art Nouveau.
     
  11. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    I do not see anything art nouveau. those rocailles are typically rococo that always show up when there's one of the many baroque revivals.
     
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  12. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    No
     
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  13. Jeff Drum

    Jeff Drum Well-Known Member

    I think patp is right, marriage with stones added later. No reason for silver design to be worked and finished as it is if meant to be covered with stones. Don’t think the base is period art nouveau, but someone who knows jewelry can probably date from the pin mechanism.
     
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  14. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    the stones & fittings look out of place................. my 2 cents..
     
  15. Marie Forjan

    Marie Forjan Well-Known Member

    I agree, nothing Nouveau about this piece.
     
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  16. anundverkaufen

    anundverkaufen Bird Feeder

    i need help likes this.
  17. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    It could easily be original; those fancy blanks were stamped out in factories by the gazillion. The stones and bezels were added by someone else at another location who'd gotten hold of the factory blanks. If that's what it is, 1970s is dead on; I'd suspect deadhead silversmith.
     
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