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Can anyone tell me about this teapot ?

Discussion in 'Antique Discussion' started by Krecik, May 16, 2016.

  1. Krecik

    Krecik New Member

    Can anyone tell me about this teapot? How old is it?

    Thanks ,

    John

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  2. terry5732

    terry5732 Well-Known Member

    It looks quite likely to be less than ten years old
     
  3. david heller III

    david heller III New Member

    Looks like it could be Ivory? if we could get closer pictures of the handle please...to see the grain. I would date it mid to late 19th cent. if it is alabaster or other material then I agree with terry.
     
  4. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    I quite agree.
    I see hints of schreger lines in all three of these areas. Close ups would help. Sorry I can't help with age.


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  5. Ladybranch

    Ladybranch Well-Known Member

    I have no help on material nor really on age. I can say the pic of the marks need to be rotated about 90 degrees to the left. They should appear as:

    TeapotMks.jpg

    These markings/characters usually appear with the left pair of characters over the right pair of characters like the following.

    TeapotMks-combo.jpg

    These characters are found on the right side of the marks for "Qianlong period, Made." Now I don't know if they are auspicious Quinlong period marks meaning this are of the 20th century and were used to honor the Quinlong period or for reproduction of Quinlong style. The auspicious Quinlong period, made" marks are pictured and explained on the following page. Scroll a gooooddd 1/2 way down the page to the section titled "Qianlong Nian Zhi - Qianlong Period Make." Under this section scroll down to the subsection with the paragraph:

    "Following marks are in Kaishu (normal script) style. This is the present-day regular script, which has been in existence now for almost 2000 years. As opposed to seal script, which is drawing, this is hand writing. None of the following marks are of the Qianlong period despite that they say so. See comments next to each individual mark for an approximate date."

    This section has 4 pairs or 4 characters. Note that the right side of the marks are like yours such as #s: 1394, 260, 335, etc...
    http://www.gotheborg.com/marks/20thcenturychina.shtml

    Here is info on the Quinlong Period telling about its marks at the end of the section. Note that it says:

    "On a small group of porcelain genuine marks in raised blue enamel can appear. Seal marks from the period can also be written in a cartouche or with the seal broken up, and on the base of stem-cups written in a **horizontal row** from right to left.
    http://www.gotheborg.com/marks/qingmarks.shtml#qianlong

    Again I want to stress that I have no idea whether these are authentic Quinlong period marks or auspicious marks honoring that period!!!! Do wait for others to chime in.

    --- Susan
     
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  6. Krecik

    Krecik New Member

    Good morning ,

    Thanks for the replies. I am attaching a close up of the handle. I do believe the entire teapot is ivory. IMG_3691_opt.jpg
     
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  7. Shangas

    Shangas Underage Antiques Collector and Historian

    Looks like ivory to me. And if it's in the reign of the Qianlong Emperor, then from the 1700s.
     
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  8. david heller III

    david heller III New Member

    Thank you, Def Ivory. It is a difficult item to assume the age, but we can take the marks into consideration (thank you Susan). i do believe the marks honor that period but the piece is 18th- 19th cent from what i can see on the pictures. I have posted before that i need to touch an item (feel the grain) to try date one accurately
     
  9. Bev aka thelmasstuff

    Bev aka thelmasstuff Colored pencil artist extraordinaire ;)

    The teapot looks older than the marks. They look like felt marker. Is it possible someone wrote those on much later?
     
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  10. Krecik

    Krecik New Member

    Good morning ,

    The markings are carved in. The black may have been added at a later time to make them stand out.

    Thanks ,

    John
     
  11. terry5732

    terry5732 Well-Known Member

    It looks as though the carving was done yesterday. Total lack of any type of wear or soiling. The recesses with their grainy texture would have picked up all manner of dust and dirt if it had any age. It looks like it still has some ivory dust there from when it was made.
     
  12. Krecik

    Krecik New Member

    Hello ,

    It is not new. It came from the collection of an elderly gentleman who I do not believe had collected in decades. Other items I purchased from the collection were definetly mid 1800's. I did buy numerous Asian ivory pieces though that I know nothing about , this teapot being one of them. I was intrigued by it's look and the possibility it may have age similar to the other items I could positively date. Based on the info from the knowledgeable people there is a possibility it may even be as older. Regardless I think it is a nice looking piece even though it is not something I would typically collect.


    Thanks ,

    John
     
  13. wenna

    wenna Well-Known Member

    Looks like this teapot has been around the block. I searched liveauctioneers just to see if I could find a similar piece for comparison. I think this might be the actual one that you have (or a really good counterfeit)! Look at the vertical dark striations on the toad's face and body. You may need to be a member at liveautioneers to see this (it is free to join; you can find some good info on this site).

    https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/13792338_late-19th-century-carved-chinese-ivory-teapot
     
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  14. Krecik

    Krecik New Member

    Good afternoon ,

    That is exactly the same piece! Live auctioneers is usually one of the first places I go looking for info or values and I did not see it's sale. I also purchased it in Mass. , It did not go very far .


    Thanks ,

    John
     
  15. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    I've seen ivory pieces from the 16th century that looked pristine. Nice thing, that.
     
  16. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    I can't imagine ivory being used as a teapot. Maybe a water dropper?
     
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