Buckingham Palace - Mortlock Regent St

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  1. willzi_0007

    willzi_0007 New Member

    Hi there,

    Is anyone able to help me date this hot chocolate cup and saucer and ascertain its provenance? It has damage (as to the photo), but does it hold any value?

    Warm regards,

    Will
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  2. yourturntoloveit

    yourturntoloveit Well-Known Member

    This "might" help you date it -- perhaps not when it was made but the date after which it was not made. ;)

    http://www.meldrethhistory.org.uk/page_id__128.aspx

    "John George’s uncle William (1801 – 1879) continued in the Regent Street business assisted by his two sons William and Frederick until the business was closed in 1896."
     
  3. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    I don't think this is a chocolate cup and saucer. They are usually narrow and taller.
    I think this is a demitasse cup and saucer.

    Damage usually reduces the value considerably, unless it is something really rare and special.
     
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  4. willzi_0007

    willzi_0007 New Member

    Thank you both.

    Whilst I agree the proportions are similar to a demitasse, the set is larger than a teacup! Hence, I believe it is a hot chocolate/cocoa set.

    I've tried to find reference to this backstamp online and can't find anything. Could it perhaps be a reproduction?
     
  5. dgbjwc

    dgbjwc Well-Known Member

    For a company in business for so many years and under so many different variations I would be surprised if all the marks used by the company would be easy to find. It could be Buckingham Palace was the pattern name. In addition, I doubt it would be worth the effort to reproduce. I have to agree that the damage does hold down the value.
     
  6. Ladybranch

    Ladybranch Well-Known Member

    According to many of the Mortlock info online, they were a retailer rather than a manufacturer. "Mortlocks employed independent decorators to finish its wares." It seems they bought blanks from such companies as Minton and Coalport and then decorated the pieces. They insisted that only their backstamp appear.
    http://www.meldrethhistory.org.uk/page_id__136.aspx

    Scroll down this page and you will see pieces manufactured by Minton and decorated and sold by Mortlocks:
    http://www.mortlock.info/china.html

    Found other teacups and sauces in this pattern on Etsy. Some are labeled like yours with "Buckingham Palace" and others "Balmoral" by Mortlock. Others are labeled "Balmoral" by such decorating/design companies as T. Goode & Co., etc.... All the backstamps consists of the Order of Garter. I believe T. Goode was another retailer that decorated china blanks from manufacturers such as Spode Copeland.
    https://www.etsy.com/listing/262710920/4-mintons-balmoral-buckingham-palace

    FWIW, I vote teacups.

    --- Susan
     
    Last edited: Jul 2, 2016
  7. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    Measurements or ounce capacity might help narrow down which style cup you have.

    Do you have the chocolate/coffee pot to go with?
    Maybe a picture of the set might help.
     
  8. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    British sized tea cup. Buckingham Palace was a design name also used by other companies.

    Thomas Goode are still going,which is neat.
     
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