Birdseye Maple turned wood lidded container - is it antique? Beehive form?

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  1. gimbler-dave

    gimbler-dave Well-Known Member

    We are researching this turned wood lidded container that arrived recently and have a few questions. One is the age of the piece - does it look like an antique? Also, I see other pieces with somewhat similar shapes described as having a beehive form, and I wonder if that applies to this one as well?

    The container is about 8-3/4 inches in diameter and about 5 inches high. The weight is just under 1-1/2 pounds. The 2 halves need to be oriented properly to fit together properly. The underside has some pencil markings, but I don't see enough of anything to make sense of them.

    Any info is appreciated. Thank you! ... Dave
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  2. all_fakes

    all_fakes Well-Known Member

    Could be a commercially made item, but could also be a home craftsperson, anyone with a lathe. My uncle loved to make things like this, from 1950 to 1990.....
     
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  3. gimbler-dave

    gimbler-dave Well-Known Member

    Any guesses Steve as to what it would have been used for?
     
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  4. Rayo56

    Rayo56 Well-Known Member

    :):nailbiting: ?

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  5. all_fakes

    all_fakes Well-Known Member

    No idea, sorry.
     
  6. gimbler-dave

    gimbler-dave Well-Known Member

    I took the snake out before taking the pictures!
     
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  7. anundverkaufen

    anundverkaufen Bird Feeder

    If it's slightly ovoid it was likely hand turned.
    I collected treenware back in the 70s and I remember boxes like this most often referred to as sugar bowls/boxes but also as tobacco or soap boxes.
     
  8. gimbler-dave

    gimbler-dave Well-Known Member

    I didn't notice it at first, but it was very obvious when trying to fit the halves back together the wrong way.
     
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  9. Mansons2005

    Mansons2005 Nasty by Nature, Curmudgeon by Choice

    ointment bowl?
     
  10. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    Because it is painted black inside, my first thought was Asian rice bowl. In checking google, I found a couple, one was listed as a Dowry bowl.

    Are we sure that is birds eye maple?
    @verybrad
     
  11. Hollyblue

    Hollyblue Well-Known Member

    Looks more like some type of burl and not birds eye maple.
     
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  12. Aquitaine

    Aquitaine Is What It IS! But NEVER BORED!

    Is there some writing in the upper end of the red box I made or is it just an optical illusion?????

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  13. Marie Forjan

    Marie Forjan Well-Known Member

    I thought so too, but what do I know ;)
     
  14. verybrad

    verybrad Well-Known Member

    Definitely maple with some birds-eyes in there but more like burl overall. The reason the top only fits a certain way is due to shrinkage over time. Wood shrinks differentially between length and width, causing what was once a true circle to become slightly oval. Some round boxes intentionally use this to create a locking feature. The top may lock in place if turned slightly.
     
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  15. all_fakes

    all_fakes Well-Known Member

    Yes, and this is true of both hand-turned and commercially made lathe-turned boxes or lidded bowls. The effect is greater over time, and greatest when the wood was very green when turned. So a very old item may be very oval, a new one only slightly so; one made from very green wood may go out-of-round very quickly, while one made from very dry wood may be almost stable for a considerable time.
    The effect also depends somewhat on where in the tree the wood came from; one can reduce the effect by aligning the center of the wood-blank with the original center of the tree's grain pattern. This however produces a turned item showing very uninteresting grain, because the growth rings coincide with the circumference of the item.
     
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  16. gimbler-dave

    gimbler-dave Well-Known Member

    I went back and checked that area with a magnifying glass, but it just looks like a small series of vertical impressions. So often, I'll see a blown up view of something and think I see writing, but checking shows nothing - the brain wants to create order out of the disorder. Especially true when there is a lot of fine random detail.
     
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