Anyone recognize this Civil War/GAR monument?

Discussion in 'Antique Discussion' started by J Dagger, Dec 14, 2022.

  1. J Dagger

    J Dagger Well-Known Member

    This came in a lot of GAR things so I assume it’s a GAR monument. I searched through endless pages of images of monuments and didn’t find this one. Maybe it’s in one of your backyards? D0414814-64B5-4386-89D9-65D00F43F105.jpeg 1C8AFA65-110A-4F98-8D93-FD362F3ED0C4.jpeg FF60C1CC-E844-4D0D-A3CA-750E938336EC.jpeg 018C813D-FCEF-4811-BD95-D8C161CD6F61.jpeg
     
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  2. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    does the shield with the horn symbol mean anything to anyone?
     
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  3. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    Gosh, can you read the shields at the bottom?
    I cannot see his face well enough to guess.
    Does he have the rifle aimed towards his head? :O
     
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  4. Kronos

    Kronos Well-Known Member

  5. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    Thanks, Kronos, the one in the photo seems to have words instead of stars, but may be that is my bad eyesight. Not sure.

    @J Dagger , does he have a mustache? Is he wearing a hat? Does he look Confederate? (He looks it to me, I thought Gen. Lee, but cannot see the face and not sure if the coat is correct for a general in the Civil War?)
     
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  6. Marie Forjan

    Marie Forjan Well-Known Member

    Here is the shield, can you get a closeup of it?

    Shield.jpg
     
  7. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    YES it looks like stars! Thanks, Marie! :)
     
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  8. terry5732

    terry5732 Well-Known Member

    Many similar statues in Mass and Maine online. No matching pedestal that I saw.
     
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  9. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    Isn't this one in Georgia of all places? I think there's a statue of a Union soldier down there somewhere, looking North. I forget why.
     
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  10. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

  11. J Dagger

    J Dagger Well-Known Member

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  12. J Dagger

    J Dagger Well-Known Member

    I was looking for the pedestal too. It’s a distinct formation and easy to scan for.
     
  13. J Dagger

    J Dagger Well-Known Member

    I can really only see outlines on the soldier. Yes to the rifle. Unsure about everything else. I was scanning monuments based on the pedestal/base because that’s easier to see on my piece and easier to scan for.
     
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  14. BaseballGames

    BaseballGames Well-Known Member

    This is the most similar (and really the only similar) thing we could find --
    https://chs.org/finding_aides/ransom/061.htm
    -- but there are enough differences in the details that we'd have to say that's not a match... except... wait... that's a printer's block, right? So the image is reversed, and... a negative (or at least the third photo of it, the most usable photo for comparison, is a negative), so... is it a match? We've made a neg of the gold-ish neg (kinda confuses dark and light), made it B&W, and flipped it right for left, below, after the pic of the Wilcox Monument...

    komo, to your question, the bugle has long been a symbol of various infantry divisions of the US Army.

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  15. Marie Forjan

    Marie Forjan Well-Known Member

    I don't think so, the shields have what looks like crossed rifles, not the horn on OP's print block. Unless of corse, each shield going around the monument is slightly different...
     
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  16. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    Unless of corse, each shield going around the monument is slightly different...

    I'd say that's a good bet !
     
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  17. Kronos

    Kronos Well-Known Member

    from the above links description text "Each face carries a bronze Shield of the United States, on the front with crossed rifles, on the east with crossed swords, on the north crossed cannon, and on the west an anchor." No mention of a horn.
     
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  18. BaseballGames

    BaseballGames Well-Known Member

    That's exactly how the Wilcox monument is (or was, or is now) decorated -- "Each face carries a bronze Shield of the United States, on the front with crossed rifles, on the east with crossed swords, on the north crossed cannon, and on the west an anchor."
    Obviously there's no mention on the Wilcox webpage of the infantry bugle as one of the four shields, although (maybe grasping at straws here) that may have been changed in the 126 years since the monument was dedicated -- the crossed rifles emblem did largely supplant the bugle at some point as symbol of the infantry (the crossed sabres are emblematic of the cavalry, the crossed cannon the artillery), and the photo from the Wilcox page seems to be of much more recent origin than J Dagger's printing plate.
    We wish we had a better, straight-on, black-&-white view of the plate (and a larger photo from the Wilcox site). There appear to be other details in the monument(s) that maybe perhaps possibly don't quite match, although the similarity in the surrounding landscaping is intriguing...
    The Madison Historical Society [ https://www.madisonhistory.org/ ] or the West Cemetery directors should be able to definitively confirm or refute whether the OP's printing block shows the Wilcox Soldiers Monument.
     
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  19. Kronos

    Kronos Well-Known Member

  20. BaseballGames

    BaseballGames Well-Known Member

    Hi Kronos, our malware app won't let us view that site -- can you copy/paste a pic from there?
    Don't want to sound desperate to prove J Dagger's plate is the Wilcox Monument -- we don't really care either way -- but bear in mind the two views are at 90 degrees from each other, and some houses and many graves may been added since the photo on that antique plate was taken... and no one seems to have found an image of any other monument that's even roughly similar...
     
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