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  1. journeymagazine

    journeymagazine Well-Known Member

    I found this thrift store hunting - I tried to find out about it but couldn't get past the title (I used google translate & entered ANGLIA PARS, and got England Pars + I tried DIE CANAEL TUFFCHEN ENGELANDT EN BRANCTRYCT, and it came back exactly the same - except it changed EN (2nd to last word) to AND; the only thing I learned was it said both were Hungarian words. Maybe I didn't see all letters correctly?

    Can anyone tell me anything about it; age, etc..?

    Thank you!

    COLLECTIBLE MAP DIE CANAEL 1AA.JPG COLLECTIBLE MAP DIE CANAEL 2AA.JPG COLLECTIBLE MAP DIE CANAEL 2BAA.JPG COLLECTIBLE MAP DIE CANAEL 2CAA.JPG COLLECTIBLE MAP DIE CANAEL 3AA.JPG COLLECTIBLE MAP DIE CANAEL 4AA.JPG
     
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  2. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    The map is of the southern coastline of England, including the Isle of Wight. I think the language may be Dutch. @Any Jewelry?
     
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  3. i need help

    i need help Moderator Moderator

    The name Lucas Ian Wagenaer, will show some maps, seems to by the cartographer/author.
     
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  4. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    The cartographer was Lucas Janszoon (Iansz) Waghenaer, Dutch.
    https://www.raremaps.com/mapmaker/839/Lucas_Janszoon_Waghenaer

    https://www.raremaps.com/gallery/de...land-betweene-the-isle-of-wight-dov-waghenaer

    This map may have originally been included in his first book. "His first publication, Spieghel der zeevaerdt ("Mariner's mirror"), appeared in 1584.[2] This chart-book combined an atlas of nautical charts and sailing directions with instructions for navigation on the western and north-western coastal waters of Europe."
    https://www.revolvy.com/page/Lucas-Janszoon-Waghenaer

    Determining whether the copy you have is an original, or a later reprint/copy, would depend on the printing process used and the paper it is on.
     
    Last edited: Feb 14, 2020
  5. journeymagazine

    journeymagazine Well-Known Member

    Can I tell with a loupe by any pixels or would I need to take back off?

    Wonder why google translate says it's Hungarian language?
     
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  6. blooey

    blooey Well-Known Member

    Dutch sounds and looks a lot like Hungarian, Chinese too.
     
  7. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    Start with a loupe, to look for the obvious signs of a modern print or lithograph - there have been a lot of discussions on how to recognize print methods on this forum. If it has the characteristics of an engraving, then you would have to assess the type of paper.
     
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  8. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Yes, it is, a form of old Dutch, before standardisation. Many Dutch people wouldn't be able to read it. (Or pretend not to be able to read it. :eek:)
    Foreign language, and the script is tricky to read if you're not used to it.
    It is: 'Die Canael tusschen Engelandt en Vranckrijck', which means: The Channel between England and France.
    The text in the last photo says: "Beschrijuinge der Zee Custen van Engelandt tusschen Wicht ende Doueren, met die principale hauene ende gedaenten des selue Landts', which means: Description of the English Sea Coast between (the Isle of) Wight and Dover, with the main ports and appearance of the pertaining Land.
    If you want anything else translated, just ask.:)
    Yep, Dutch is the mother of all languages.:D
     
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  9. journeymagazine

    journeymagazine Well-Known Member

    Thank you Any jewelry (and all - as always!)
     
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