Antique porcelain plates.

I think these are two interesting porcelain plates made in England, there are markings: the sun with a dot inside, there are numbers 1854 and the letter A. I assume that this is the year of the decay .Is this posable recognize what is it? Is this posable to recognize what is it?.. Maybe some one knows ,those porcelain marks ?Thank you all of You.

 

1854 is the pattern number. It's not conclusive that the first number is 1, BTW.

 

Your plates show crazing so would be some type of earthenware rather than porcelain. I found this plate I believe is the same pattern as yours but with gilding however they only give the front view. In their remarks they say someone gave them the ID of William Brownfield, Burslem, Staffordshire c. 1847-50. I don't if that's the correct factory especially since I don't think they were operating under that name in 1847 however it may be a place to start.

http://www.thepotteries.org/mark/b/brownfield.html

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/burgundy-border-flow-blue-morning-151287761

Yours below.

 

A query on a different site came up with Brownfield as a maker using the star/dot mark so that may be where the suggested ID came from.

https://www.figurines-sculpture.com/pottery-mark-query-tiny-blue-sun-or-star.html

 

I'm very glad. This is the complete answer to what I wanted to know, there is also gilding on my plates, but there is not much of it left. Thank you very much.

 

Flowers are hedge bindweed aka calystegia sepium. Not morning glory.

 

The flowers on the plate are great..You're right- Calystegia sepium or Convolvulus sepium. hedge-bindweed-flowers-OSU. Hedge bindweed, also called morning glory, is a perennial herbaceous vine...

 

looks like artificial craquelé IMO, so much later as what was hoped for.

 

It looks like pretty ordinary crazing to me. Crazing isn't really a good test for age anyway.

 

crazing ? pure chemicals that spead on the aging process.

 

Wow, This is better than Sherlock Holmes.

 

Another term I learned was 'Crackle glaze' in relation to porcelain. One method is to create Crackle glaze, is paint the pottery with Sodium Chloride just before firing in the Kiln. There are many other methods.

Old english porcelain, unlike Kaolin rich Chinese porcelain commonly has this crackling or crazing. Much of this is because it would have been used so often and has so much stress over time along with being washed in different temperatures, unlike a chinese vase which sits quietly in a cabinet.

Crazing would never be deliberate as it would not be seen to augment the plate, or improve it's asthetic value. Continental 'Hard paste' Porcelain Silcia, feldspar, and kaolin differs from english 'Bone China' which has Bone Ash and feldspar and Kaolin and the many experiemnts with Soft paste porcelain has procuded many superior and also inferior results. Some of these different mixtures has resulted in
porcelain more prone to crazing. I cannot say that i have enough knowledge to understand all the causes but I would guess there are many factors other than just day to day use that saw inferior porcelain produced that crazes,bad kilns, ingredients mixtures, processes, fly by the night factories. Maybe even this was an early form of obsolence before the lightbulb!

Deliberate crackling or 'crackle glaze' is exceptionally rare, and can be seen in Chinese Guan ware for example but never in a Dinner set.

 

what exactly is the use of showing a list of infos you got from somewhere on the net ?

 

This is not from the internet, this is all my work. Thank you. Everyone knows that crazing on Dinner ware in not craquelé . Craquelé is used on art and paintings for example, the term for porcelain is crazing, or crackle glaze.

 

The term in the UK is craquelure. Crackle glaze is a totally different thing from crazing.

 

The term in the Uk Your pullin me leg Ownedbybear It is clearly a french word, I know the UK is the best country in the world for antiques but you cannot be stamping Uk on a frog to make a horse.

Crackle Glaze is intentional on porcelain. Crazing is incidental to for example porcelain, where it is from wear etc, and the craquelure are the fine cracks in a painting or it used to describe porcelain but it's application is usually deliberate, Crazing is a better word as it is incidental or not deliberate and more universally understood. Crackle glaze and Craquelure are the same thing but former is used more to describe porclain and the latter to describe painting.

 

I'm not in the least joking. Anyone who's collected pottery or porcelain knows that.

And don't be insulting. I don't appreciate it.

 

might be a language problem.
crazing in German is generally only used when talking about industrial plastics and composites and called crazes there.

https://www.wikiwand.com/de/Krakelee

senior members may remember when it came to a hefty discussion about the classification of saltglazes in a discussion about Westerwald items some 15 (? really ?) years ago on the old ebay discussion boards.

 

Saltglaze is new to me, I am only really learning of it now, and it is quite lovely pottery and a German innovation.




It reminds of 18th century Straffordshire 'Whieldon' pottery and agate ware, but they also did Saltglazed earthenware.

Whieldon pottery has that same effect on me. I find it quite beautiful.





As for all this crackle and pop. I am not a potter and would never claimed to be one. I doubt many of us have ever worked in the pottery business and if one has then I am sure they are not too strict about the terminologies banded about by collectors.

I study Pottery and Porcelain as a collector, admirer and as a passion. I study it for this reason and will spend hour's studying a beautiful porcelain vase. I am not a dealer nor a seller and do not have a finger in that pie but I do value it as an investment and I am concious of value in that respect.

I always have questions about something I might purchase or found mostly as to whether it is genuine and authentic. I fully understand when someone asks about porcelain, that they usually should be interested in understanding as much about it as they can.

Porcelain collecting led me to get Antique Display cabinets which in turn led me to take an interest in Antique furniture, and that is my only reason for being at Antiquers, as it combines both those passions.

As to my comment about Sherlock Holmes it was sincerely meant as compliment to OwnedbyBear who could pick out the exact type of flower, which at the time very much impressed me. I am sorry he read me as being facitious. I am currently watching Sherlock Holmes and I, like most people marvel at other peoples quick knowledge.

As to Louri plates, I still do not know what they might be Cake plate's..?