Featured Antique cased photo-military uniform identification please!

Discussion in 'Ephemera and Photographs' started by shamster, Jul 14, 2024.

  1. shamster

    shamster Well-Known Member

    Bought this today, not a collector of military themed photos but found this a nice one, could anyone tell me a bit more about this gentleman please? 2.jpg
     
  2. bosko69

    bosko69 Well-Known Member

    IMHO superb piece.Can you give measurements,it may be an Ambrotype.Is there a maker's mark impressed in the cases inner velvet cover ?
    PS-Any antique photo experts in the house.Can you recommend anyone @Any Jewelry ?
     
  3. shamster

    shamster Well-Known Member

    Thank you:shame:it measures roughly 12 x 9.6 cm when closed. Unfortunately there is no marks
     
  4. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Sitter does not look American.
     
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  5. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    Google Images thinks it's a Portuguese uniform but whadaIknow. Here's King Luis I.

    Debora


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  6. shamster

    shamster Well-Known Member

    Thank you lol I tried google too but I myself can't tell the difference between all of them at all:hilarious:
     
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  7. shamster

    shamster Well-Known Member

    This is bought in uk, tho that won't guarantee it's origin:watching:
     
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  8. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    The sleeve decoration is very distinctive.

    Debora
     
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  9. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

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  10. shamster

    shamster Well-Known Member

    Would that indicate a higher rank?:wideyed:
     
  11. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    Described as "Gold faced cuffs." No idea as to their meaning.

    Debora
     
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  12. shamster

    shamster Well-Known Member

  13. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    I am assuming the 46 might mean 46th regiment, hence my disappointment at not being able to find an example of a uniform from the 46th to confirm.
     
  14. shamster

    shamster Well-Known Member

    But guess we're quite close tho :joyful: thanks
     
  15. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    OK - the 46th South Devonshire Regiment of foot served in the Crimean War in 1854.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/46th_(South_Devonshire)_Regiment_of_Foot

    Here is a medal awarded to Charles Wooden of the 17th Lancers, who served in the Light Brigade (also Crimean War). It looks very similar to what we can see of the medal your fellow is wearing -
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    https://www.gutenberg.org/files/49986/49986-h/49986-h.htm

    A date of the mid 1850s is consistent with the type of photograph (probably an ambrotype). So, he may be from the 46th Regiment, and served in the Crimean War.
     
  16. shamster

    shamster Well-Known Member

    That's very detailed, thank you so much! Tho I have almost 0 idea of military&history stuff at that time haha :shame: do you think it possible to find out who he is? If his rank is high enough to be identified
     
  17. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    One thing you might try is looking behind the photograph. Sometimes there are pieces of paper hidden there, with information about the sitter.

    Here is a diagram of the structure of early cased photos, including ambrotypes. An ambrotype would be an image on glass, in the position where the diagram indicates a daguerreotype -

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    https://www.nedcc.org/about/nedcc-stories/dolley-madison-daguerreotype

    The photograph is an assemblage of several layers, held together by a metal frame - the "preserver" - that wraps around the layers. This sandwich is simply press fitted into the case. If you have a very thin tool or spatula, you may be able to carefully insert it between the preserver and the red fabric lining of the case, and pop the whole sandwich out of the case. You don't want to unwrap the preserver, or otherwise disturb the layers of the sandwich.

    If you don't find any information there (or don't feel safe to remove it from its case) @Debora might have suggestions as to resources for identifying him via military records.
     
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  18. Marote

    Marote Well-Known Member

  19. shamster

    shamster Well-Known Member

    Thank you! I have taken out the whole thing but unfortunately nothing was found there.:( Still thanks for the detailed instructions
     
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  20. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    Cap for comparison.

    Debora

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