American colonial period.

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  1. Iouri

    Iouri Well-Known Member

    Hello to everyone. I want to show you a bronze bust of a woman, and ask your opinion about this figure. It seems to me that she belongs to the American colonial period and made in that period .Thank you very much . IMG_5070.jpg IMG_5066.jpg IMG_5074.jpg IMG_5073.jpg IMG_5068.jpg IMG_5069.jpg
     
  2. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    I don't understand how you conclude that this was made in the "American Colonial" period? Would you explain please?
     
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  3. smallaxe

    smallaxe Well-Known Member

    Even though it may depict colonial period dress, that doesn't mean she was made then. The style of the sculpture looks pretty modern to me (1900's). I'm not sure the subject's dress is even colonial.
     
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  4. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    She appears to be Asian. And not old.

    Debora
     
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  5. Iouri

    Iouri Well-Known Member

    The colonial period lasted approximately three centuries - from the beginning of the 16th to the beginning of the 19th century, when Brazil and most of the Spanish colonies declared their independence. The United States won independence from England much earlier, namely in 1776.
     
  6. Iouri

    Iouri Well-Known Member

    I'm not sure too, I'm asking .Thank you for your opinion.
     
  7. Iouri

    Iouri Well-Known Member

    Thank you ''Debora.' I see.
     
  8. verybrad

    verybrad Well-Known Member

    Looks 20th century to me.
     
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  9. Iouri

    Iouri Well-Known Member

    upload_2022-9-1_13-24-15.jpeg Colonial women's clothing.
     

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  10. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    I don't see it as a low ruffled neckline. I see a collar at her neck and then her arm reaching across to rest her hand on the opposite shoulder.

    Not a great example but something like this, no?

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  11. Iouri

    Iouri Well-Known Member

    Why didn't you say anything about what she's wearing on her head?
     
  12. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Perhaps the fact that your picture is too small see what I assume you are comparing to?
     
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  13. Iouri

    Iouri Well-Known Member

    One more question for you guys. Is there anyone who has seen the same bronze bust on websites. Thank all of you. Sorry about picture.
     
  14. Iouri

    Iouri Well-Known Member

    What, I can only say about the age of the product[If do not has marks] : 1-epoch to which the product may belong. 2 what material the product is made of, in this case bronze-patina is the most good indicator .It is practically impossible to determine the age of a bronze product without a labaratory analysis. WE can only Assume and guess your guess ,my guess but it only guess nothing else .Patina serves as an indicator of the antiquity of this product. The color of ancient patinas is most often greenish, but there are others: blue, black, gray, brown, pink, red. Sometimes on one product you can observe films of several colors. Patina is matte and glossy. Noble and ignoble (wild) patinas stand out. Stable (noble) patinas grow relatively slowly. For example, when a noble malachite patina is formed, a red or black film first appears, consisting of oxides and sulfides. It then gradually transforms into a carbonate compound in the form of an enamel-like green layer. Unstable, rapidly developing (wild) patinas, as a rule, include copper chlorides (atacamite, para-tacamite) and bromides. The presence of the latter is a particularly good sign when ascertaining the antiquity of products. Counterfeiters usually do not use bromine compounds for artificial patination. The surfaces of ancient bronzes are covered with a three-layer corrosion crust containing greenish-blue minerals, from under which reddish-brown spots of cuprite protrude in some areas. What other studies can be used to date ancient alloys? Now there are many works devoted to the study of stable isotopes of lead, which serve as a "passport" of ancient artifacts. The isotopic composition of lead (having four stable isotopes with atomic weights of 204, 206, 207, and 208) remains constant when hot and cold worked, corroded, or fused with other metals. This method is used to identify the most skillful fakes of ancient bronze products .I put this information may be for someone will be interesting .Thank you guys.
     
  15. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

  16. Iouri

    Iouri Well-Known Member

    Thank you very much. I am very happy. This means that this woman had some kind of history, I will look .I like to say Thank you again.
     
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  17. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

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  18. Iouri

    Iouri Well-Known Member

    I think that I need to explain something to you about my statement about the guess that it can offend someone ...., I didn't want to offend anyone, I appreciate your skills and knowledge.
     
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  19. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    Louri, I see nothing you did that would offend anyone. And my apologies if I did something to lead you to believe you had. I did think, if you bust portrays an Asian woman, that @Any Jewelry might be able to identify the group she comes from by her costume.


    Debora
     
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  20. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    I think, with that turban and high collar, it could be Cambodia or Vietnam, so I'll tag Indochina expert @kyratango .:)
     
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