Altar cloth with cyrillic, help with translate

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  1. fettan4

    fettan4 Active Member

    7930D531-E2A7-4CDB-91E4-761D37EF0FF4.jpeg AE4A927A-EEAF-4774-886A-A6DBEC842D45.jpeg Can some one translate this text of cyrilllic caharceter? 7930D531-E2A7-4CDB-91E4-761D37EF0FF4.jpeg
     
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  2. scoutshouse

    scoutshouse Well-Known Member

    That is very beautiful! Is the cross stitched or a metal (sterling?) plaque?

    Welcome, @fettan4!
     
  3. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    Boy, bet that's been stored in a drawer for a long while. Do like the knotted thorn motif.

    Debora
     
  4. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

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  5. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    No, it appears to be either Church Slavonic or some other language besides Russian. I'm going to tag one of our newer members, @Lena345 and also @April07 in case one of them can help.

    Thanks for tagging me, though! I'm always interested in this sort of thing.
     
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  6. April07

    April07 Well-Known Member

    Oh, wow. It's in church Slavonic, and it says "The slave of God, Count Dmitry, rest in peace".
    What size is it? I have a suspicion this could be used as some part of the funeral ritual.
     
  7. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    looks like Romnian - Wallachian. eventually Bulgarian or older Serbian.
    the one name reads Dimitriya.
     
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  8. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    Thanks for replying to my tag, @April07 . I hope that @fettan4 will be back soon to say more about the size.
     
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  9. fettan4

    fettan4 Active Member

    Thank you so much! I really appreciate!
    The size is 50x60 cm (19x23 inches)
     
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  10. fettan4

    fettan4 Active Member

    Does someone knows the age of it?
     
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  11. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    church slavonic is a VERY unprecise term directly deducted from the Latin Slavonia, whose frontiers changed very often and were never precise; roughly it would be the Pannonian Basin.
    sometimes it simply describes the script used by the Orthodox church in the Danube and Save plains.
    a further point of the problem - most people were illiterate at the time and there were only church people that were capable of writing.
    I don't think this item is older than 100 years. the script would be easily readible for today's Romanians and Bulgarians.
     
  12. April07

    April07 Well-Known Member

    I am not that strong in church rituals but it seems me a bit small to cover the altar. The closest fit by size (also by design) that I found is the so-called 'vozdukh' ('air') that is used until now to cover the dish that keeps the bread that represents the body of Christ and is used also in funeral-related rituals. I think it could (and should) be dated before the 1917 Russian revolution because of the presence of the word 'Count'. However, I would not discard, of course, the possibility of some Count Dmitry who died in emigration already after the revolution.
     
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  13. scoutshouse

    scoutshouse Well-Known Member

    That's pretty dense. I mean that in the best way.
     
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  14. Jivvy

    Jivvy the research is my favorite

    What is the function of the ring in the upper left corner? Is there more than one?

    I was thinking "pillow topper" until I saw that...
     
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  15. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Hadn't noticed that before. Maybe it hung from a divider like a screen, during the funeral service of Count Dmitry?
     
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  16. Darkwing Manor

    Darkwing Manor Well-Known Member

    Whoa. Wallachia. That's where Vlad Dracul ruled!
     
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  17. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Wallachia only used Romanian Cyrillic script until ca 1860, when it changed to Latin script. This cloth looks late 19th century to me, but I could be wrong.
    Dmitry doesn't sound like a Romanian name to me, but there are always exceptions.
    I don't know how different Romanian Cyrillic script is from church Slavonic, but I imagine @April07 would have noticed the difference.
    In short, I am not convinced this could be Wallachian.
     
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  18. April07

    April07 Well-Known Member

    I doubt I would understand the text if it would be Romanian language. It's clearly Church Slavonic, in its Russian Empire version
     
  19. shallow_ocean_spectre

    shallow_ocean_spectre fine.books' bumping squirrel

    The larger cloth is an Iliton (or Eileton in the Greek Orthodox tradition) - the covering for the smaller cloth - the Antimins (i.e. the Antiminsion). The two here appear to have been conjoined into a Corporax - the Western equivalent of the Eileton and Antiminsion.
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  20. April07

    April07 Well-Known Member

    Interesting! Do you think it can be Old Believers' antimins, for the design?
     
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