Featured Age of this Japanese Imari charger?

Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by Joan, Mar 16, 2024.

  1. Joan

    Joan Well-Known Member

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    I’ve been reading several previous threads on this site about Japanese Imari chargers in hopes of narrowing down an age for my charger, but it seems that most are identified as circa late-19th or early-20th century. I also noticed that @Ce BCA mentioned in a 2022 post about an Imari bowl, “There was a fall off in quality in the 1915+ time frame..."(Cited from: https://www.antiquers.com/threads/date-on-imari-bowl.71659/).

    So I'm wondering if the quality of mine indicates it's post-1915. I’ve looked at many, many similar Imari chargers and the quality of mine looks better than some, but not as good as others. I’d appreciate any opinions on its age. I paid $4.99 for it several years ago at a thrift store.
     
  2. charlie cheswick

    charlie cheswick Well-Known Member

    i would agree with that joan, its a better quality than a lot of the ones i've seen
    i would think older than 1915
    did you notice the imprinted mark ?

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  3. bosko69

    bosko69 Well-Known Member

    Nice piece.
     
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  4. Joan

    Joan Well-Known Member

    That's amazing that you noticed the mark, Charlie. Thank you so much for pointing it out. I took a photo of it and increased the contrast, then did a Google image search and found the same mark on a plate described on Etsy as "Early 1900's Japanese Polychrome Famille Noir, Bird of Paradise Hand Painted Plate" ($68 asking price). https://www.etsy.com/listing/1367146739/early-1900s-japanese-polychrome-famille.

    I don't know which way is right side up for the mark.
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    Maybe early 1900's is the closest I'll get to dating it.
     
  5. Joan

    Joan Well-Known Member

    Thank you, bosko.
     
  6. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    Attached Files:

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  7. bosko69

    bosko69 Well-Known Member

    To quote the esteemed Sensei Goth-"the Noritake company which has been active for only about one hundred years, are thought to have used over 400 different marks."
    Fortunately for our Japanophiles out there (not here obviously !) most Americans seem too lazy to become adept at this skill.
     
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  8. Joan

    Joan Well-Known Member

    Thank you so very much, 2manybooks. I didn't expect to get such a detailed and definitive answer to my question. My knowledge of Japanese (and other) porcelain is minimal. I added your information to my photo so I won't lose track of it (and corrected the orientation of the mark). I've been reorganizing my small "collection" of porcelain, pottery, china, etc. for better storage and am putting photos and related information in a binder. I may be posting other pieces with questions in the next day or two.
     
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  9. Joan

    Joan Well-Known Member

    P.S. Gotheborg.com is an amazing resource. I had no idea it existed and knew nothing about Gothenburg, Sweden, nor the Swedish East India Company (half my ancestors are Swedish, but I wasn't aware of a Swedish connection to Japanese and Chinese porcelain). It was especially interesting to read about the replica of the Swedish East Indiaman Gotheborg ship that was sent to China in 2005 for a promotional trade voyage.
     
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  10. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    remember....the binder is the 1st thing that goes missing...:banghead:...;) :playful::playful::playful:
     
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  11. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    They were also in Indonesia.* Sweden was much more enterprising than many people know or expect.

    *Just about every seafaring nation was in Indonesia during the last 2000 years or so. Indonesia's many spices were important because spices were used as medicine in the old days.
     
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  12. Joan

    Joan Well-Known Member

    I've got the missing binder problem covered....everything in them is also on my computer, a flash drive, a full computer backup, and all the photos are also on Walmart's server (which is a scary thought :eek:). Still, I hope I never have to recreate even one binder :depressed:.
     
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  13. Joan

    Joan Well-Known Member

    Interesting information, AJ. I was aware of the Dutch East India Company, but had never run across anything about the Swedish East India Company. After I googled it, I learned there was also a British East India Company, and that the "Dutch East India Company was the largest and most impressive of the early modern European trading companies operating in Asia" according to en.unesco.org. (I'm sure you already knew this).
     
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  14. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    I did, but it isn't widely known.;)
    The Dutch had to fund their war of independence against the Spanish, and the East India trade was the best way to do that.
    Contact with the cultures of the East Indies also influenced Dutch culture and arts to a considerable extent.

    Unfortunately some things got out of hand, as they always do, but that's people for you. It is the reason why Dutch opinions and feelings are currently mixed on the subject. I'm sure they'll work it out.
     
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  15. bosko69

    bosko69 Well-Known Member

    Joan-It sounds like your extremely well prepared for any catastrophe,just don't forget the food,water & fuel.A ham radio's also a good idea-there'll be no cell coverage in a really big county/state-wide event (no joke).
     
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  16. Joan

    Joan Well-Known Member

    I haven't gone quite that far into a survival mode. Right now I'm just trying to make things easier for my husband and/or kids to liquidate things if there's anything left when I'm no longer here.
     
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  17. bosko69

    bosko69 Well-Known Member

    That's a wonderful part of your Legacy.My Dad did that-it gave us more time to remember the good times and less on the financial nightmares !
     
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