3 little ?fetishes and ? African bead bracelets.

Discussion in 'Tribal Art' started by nursenancy4, Dec 17, 2015.

  1. nursenancy4

    nursenancy4 Active Member

    Am pretty sure the bracelets are African, anyone have any idea from what region, also the 3 little bead skulls with what appears to be real bone, Are they considered tourist pieces, one has been made into a brooch, the little tortoise is made from some kind of a thicker stronger thread, is the a possibility it could be quill, Is quill pliable? thanks again and I wont go clearing out any more until after the Christmas season,
     
  2. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    knowing where in africa bead work came from....is damn near impossible.
    skull bone carvings ....are also hard to pin down.
    i have one on a strand of blue beads ....and i can't even make an educated guess , even though it came from Vancouver.
     
  3. nursenancy4

    nursenancy4 Active Member

    Thank you, do you think the bracelets are African,they are lined with what appears to be sinew, oh dear on the skull heads. is it safe to say they are Southwestern or Native or are they African also??
     
  4. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Are there supposed to be pictures somewhere? I don't see any.
     
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  5. nursenancy4

    nursenancy4 Active Member

    sorry I THOUGHT i had posted pics, here goes
     

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  6. nursenancy4

    nursenancy4 Active Member

    hope these are visible thanks
     

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  7. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    They are, nursenancy!

    Not that I can help, I was just confused about how Komo could help much without them.
     
  8. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    The bracelets are sure African in style, but where they really came from is anyone's guess. The animal heads I'm curious about; I have one of those here myself with no idea what it really is. I'd figured deer vertebra souvenir piece as Native American, but didn't know which group did it. Maybe none of them?
     
  9. Taupou

    Taupou Well-Known Member

    The bracelets are African, from Kenya.

    The little beaded cow heads are Zuni, from New Mexico. They were originally made as scarf slides, like for boy scout scarfs, but probably most aren't used for that. They are beaded over a sheep vertebrae.
     
  10. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    Don't be confused.....I didn't help all that much ....
     
  11. all_fakes

    all_fakes Well-Known Member

    Tiny baskets and miniature items are sometimes made by the Tohono O'Odham from horse-hair, and the tortoise could well be one of those. Made for sale to tourists and collectors.
    The horse hair looks similar to thread, but coarser and stronger.
    The technique is similar to the larger coiled pine-needle baskets made by various native and non-native people.
    However, I am by no means an expert on baskets.
     
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  12. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    it looks like a pine needle turtle....
    the horse hair minis are usually black beige and white,,,with a dab of rust...

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  13. all_fakes

    all_fakes Well-Known Member

    I would certainly defer to the opinion of others on this; it does appear to be a coiled item like pine-needle baskets. Dimensions weren't given, but I figured it was 2" long or less, and pine needles aren't flexible enough to make an item that small, I think; nor would pine-needles fit the description that the material is like "thick strong thread."

    So I was thinking one could make a small coiled item from horsehair.
    But what do I know.
     
  14. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    I've seen dozens of those turtles....across the river on the Mohawk Reserve.
    They're very traditional.
     
  15. all_fakes

    all_fakes Well-Known Member

    The Tohono O'Odham horsehair turtles are also very traditional; dimensions might help; here's a sweetgrass Mohawk turtle; 6 1/2" long...
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/TURTLE-shaped-coiled-sweetgrass-basket-by-Paul-St-John-Mohawk-/370974381960

    or another sweetgrass one described as "small" at
    http://nativedirect.com/products/small-sweet-grass-turtle

    And here is a Tohono O'Odham horsehair turtle, 1 1/8" long: http://www.brownstrading.com/product-p/e17mbk.htm
    or another at
    https://www.etsy.com/listing/193040143/4-vintage-native-american-papago-tohono

    I was assuming the photo was of a smaller item, as it seemed comparable in size to the vertebrae, and the beaded vertebrae I've seen were fairly small.
    I could tell horsehair from sweetgrass in person, but not so easily from a photo perhaps. I've seen Tohono O'Odham horsehair turtles fairly frequently in Seattle; often less than an inch across, and looking very much like NurseNancy's, but am less familiar with the Mohawk turtles.
     
  16. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    Well it's likely sweetgrass, that over time changes from green to brown.....

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  17. all_fakes

    all_fakes Well-Known Member

    Same technique, in any case.
     
  18. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

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