3 Antique vintage plates: an Old Wm Adams plus 2 more

I have three plates that I would love help with: the age of the Wm Adams & is it hand painted, anything about the one that looks Pennsylvania Dutch and is hand painted and the same about the other hand painted flora one. I know the Adams isn't 1750 but it sure looks hand painted under the glaze. It sure looks old. Any thoughts as to the age and if it actually could be hand painted under the glaze? The one with the roses also looks old and is hand painted but with no marking at all. Then there is the, I believe hand painted floral one, with with 3F and it kind of looks like 3 palm leaves leaning to the left. That is the sum of the information I have gleaned from them. Thank you for any information at all.

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/30396782...d=5338365712&toolid=20006&customid=EB8848235&
Similar except yours has more colours.

 

Yes it is similar. The center is definitely different and, not to brag, mine has so much more to it. Thanks you.

 

Looks as if it’s called Chinese bird pattern.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/26481771...d=5338365712&toolid=20006&customid=EB8849174&

 

Your second plate looks like a variation of Adams rose pattern though there is a Kings rose and Queens rose you might check also.

 

Pretty sure your 3rd plate is decal work. Examine with loupe and look for dots and defined edges.

 

That listing even has the year. Thank you. I guess it can't be hand painted, or can it?

 

I doubt that it is. Much more likely as a reproduction that it was transfer ware.

The second plate (the one you're calling Pennsylvania Dutch?) is a style I have seen attributed to both Wales and Belgium. Sometimes called "spongeware."

 

Thank you say-it-slowly. The rose in the second plate does look like the Adams or Staffordshire style rose, but not the exact pattern. Now that I hold it, it also doesn't feel like it is porcelain. It is made of a softer airy material. I do not know how to describe it.
Wiscbirddog there are no dots in any of them with the jeweler's loupe. The impressed mark on the last plate kind of reminds me of the Arita mark, but not exactly.
Yes Bakersgma the second plate more resembles the Welsh and Belgium plates. I do not know how you do it. I sit for hours and feel I find nothing. However the fact that I could recall the Arita mark, gives me faith I'll learn.
I am emptying my basement of all the estate and thrift shop finds as my children do not like "old stuff". Trust me, if you saw my basement, it is a monumental task. Thank you all.
The shape of the last two remind me of the French KG Luneville Strasbourg Faience plates.

 

I can't read that registry number, what is it?

 

On the blue and white example above the Rd is 623294 so registered 1913 if it has the same number. The example on The Potteries shows England.

http://www.thepotteries.org/mark/a/adams2.html

printed markc1913+

the registration number 623294 dates from 1913

 

3F

 

Fabulous information. I gave the wrong number. I can't make out exactly the numbers, but it looks to be the 623294. Thank you that is great 1913. I'll check out thepotteries link too. I'm sure it will be very helpful.

 

Here is a plate I believe is the same as your last plate that also has the 3F impressed mark and also another mark they say it a Limbach mark. I haven't been able to verify their identification but the LB portion resembles some French marks though I don't have an exact match yet.


https://www.ebay.com/itm/113702404632?hash=item1a79310218:g:osYAAOxyRhBS3tAW

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/113702404632?hash=item1a79310218:g:osYAAOxyRhBS3tAW

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The Potteries only has UK factories. You can try the links found on the opening page of the Pottery, Glass & Porcelain part of this site. I've been looking in a few books without finding it yet, hopefully someone knows it.

https://www.antiquers.com/threads/glass-pottery-marks-reference-library.430/

 

I just sent a message to the seller of the Limbach plate asking if he/she would tell me where they found any information about it. They answered and said they did not remember as the plate had been for sale for 4 years. Not a good sign but the fact I can't even find the name in Google is surprising.

 

Here is a little on Limbach from Rontgen's book of marks. Only the early Greiner marks are a little similar in his book but not too close.

 

So do you think it is a Limbach Greiner plate, I can't see the marks, but I trust you since you could find this. If I get murdered, will you investigate the case? LOL