2 Miro books by Dierrie de Mirroir - 1965 Miro Cartons + 1963 Miro Artigas - real or copies?

I found these in my friend's storage unit he won in an auction last week. I think they are supposed to go together?

One Is a 1963 Miro Artigas that is in a folder like cover with the pages loose inside (except the Miorrior front page; it looks like it was taped to the folder?)

The 2nd is a hard cover book with the title and what looks like a library? Dewey decimal system number on the spine? (The Artigas above has a library stamp on the inside back cover; see photos)

They both have their publication dates (1963 & 1965) and Maeght editor/printed in France + both have a small sticker from BARRON'S Newbury NY (bookstore that sold them originally or gave to library?)

They also have that they are limited to 150 copies but unlike others I've found I don't see Miro's hand signed signature?
I also haven't seen another green hard cover Miro's Cartons - maybe it's just missing dust jacket?

What do I have? Are they real/original or copies?
What is the number on the spine of the Cartons book?

ANY information would be greatly appreciated!

PS - Posting Artigas photos first & Cartons will go into reply section because there are so any pages that I think may help someone tell me if these are real (and do they go together like in a set?)
Thank you again!

 

This is the more of Artigas book including library stamp

 

This is the Miro Cartons book - hardcover with numbers on spine?
Thank you again for any help.

 

End of the Miros Cartons book





So are there real/originals? Did they make a version for librarys/schools?
Any information is greatly appreciated.
Thanks!

 

Derriere le miroir means behind the mirror. Derriere le miroir is not the author. It is a French art magazine.
Looks like you have several publications by the art magazine, one is on an exhibition with works of Joan Miró and fellow Catalan artist Josep Llorens Artigas. The other is Miró only.

 

Carton doesn't mean cartoon; it means cardboard in French. (And, yes, Miró did paint on cardboard.) Let's see what we can find out for you.

Debora

 

The Cartons book is about the paintings he did on cardboard.
These books are about the works of Miró and Artigas, but do not contain originals.

 

I'm a bit confused by all the photographs. Interiors really aren't needed. But... This should help with Derrière Le Miroir. Usual caveat -- asking not sale price.

https://www.biblio.com/search.php?author=miro&title=cartons&keyisbn=maeght&stage=1

And here's information on the magazine itself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derrière_le_miroir

Debora

 

Here's an earlier Miró issue which had some interest on eBay.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2256740965...=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Debora

 

So am I, which is which, and it is very pic heavy.

Ditto. Today it takes ages for photos to open on this site, which adds to the confusion.
But so far I didn't see any originals. I didn't expect them either, but would rather be sure.

 

Library binding will hurt value somewhat.

Debora

 

Journey, would you post photographs of both covers and both title pages only?

Debora

 

The Derriere le Miroir looks like the magazine in a library binding. It appears to contain all 6 of the lithos. The litho next to the page titled Terres Nouvelles... is the back cover of the magazine and a continuation of that on the front cover. It's the lithos that hold the interest, but the condition is going to be a real setback. They all require restoration and conservation, which is expensive, and I don't know how desirable, or available, they may be.

 

But none are green hard cover book with number system on spine - unless the mirr

I put them - not all - because with book I didn't know what I had and with both I wanted to see if these were one of the 150 limited editions because of no signature - I thought seeing inside would help tell if real or not. Sorry.

 

Thank you.

 

When I get back on computer.
But they are 1st and 3rd photo in initial post and 3rd photo in reply (1st photo after number on spine)

 

Thank you, I needed a second set of eyes. I now see the photo where it says "les illustrations de ce numéro sont des lithographies originales....". It just wouldn't open for me before. (now others won't open)
So lithos, but condition issues.

 

It has condition issues but a lot is from taking pics with my phone & then trying to brighten/enhance on computer. I think my phone is on last leg - I've taken way over the average photos taken by most + it's over 4 yrs old

 

If I wanted to list these what do I call them? (Behind the mirror cartons Miro in book/binding?)
Is the Miro Artigas original? (I've found others with same look/type cover but is mine 1 of the 150 limited edition - without a signature? (sorry if stupid question because I'm guessing not, but I want to be sure)

 

They all had original lithos inside but only 150 copies were signed and numbered. These can actually sell well despite the library bindings as unscrupulous sellers often cannibalize them for the lithos on which they forge the Miro signature and either mark them e/a (epreuve d’artiste) or h/c (hors commerce) and sell to unwary buyers.