Featured 2 baskets and a cake stand?

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  1. Owliza

    Owliza I really DO keep my tree up a bit too long...

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    Hi. These were all purchased in the Victoria, BC, Canada area. Wondering if any or all are west coast First Nations work?
    Basket 1 is 2 1/4 inches high and 3 1/2 inches diameter.
    Basket 2 is 3 inches high and 6 1/2 inches long
    "Cake stand" is 5 1/2 inches high and 11 inches diameter on the top.

    I am least convinced by the cake stand but I actually bought it to put a wee antique feather tree and would like to clean it up to do so (oil wood, try to remove paint splatter, etc). Not to mention that I would be a bit conflicted uaing it for that purpose if it was FN made. I know some items were made for the tourist trade in European forms and wonder if this is one.

    Any and all information is greatly appreciated! I have little money sunk into them and they each delight me. Thanks!

    ETA pics of top and bottom of stand in comments.
     
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  2. Owliza

    Owliza I really DO keep my tree up a bit too long...

  3. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    #1 - Makah trinket basket, missing lid.

    #2 - Salish

    #3 - Indonesian or Philippines
     
  4. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    1. yup, circa 1890

    2. yup, circa 1910

    3. Lombok , not new.....
     
  5. Owliza

    Owliza I really DO keep my tree up a bit too long...

    Oh wow! Thank you both! I figured there was a lid missing but don’t mind as it lets me see the work on the edge. I never imagined the first 2 were that old. Thrilled to bits! Now to reach the Lombok people...
     
  6. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    I've always admired the tie down work at the top of the inner rim.
    I have a basket here, bought with no lid....for the same reason....
    it's also a stellar work.... but I digress...:playful:;);)
     
  7. Owliza

    Owliza I really DO keep my tree up a bit too long...

    It’s so precise and sturdy. I have found my eyes drawn to it since I got it
     
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  8. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    3. Is a ceremonial offering tray, not a cake stand.;)
     
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  9. all_fakes

    all_fakes Well-Known Member

    Lombok is a major producer of export baskets, easy to find catalogs with thousands of designs online.
    I'd guess the lidless one is more likely Nootka/Nuu-Chah-Nulth, but it is hard to distinguish Nootka and Makah; adding that I have a number of lidless Makah/Nootka baskets; every so often one will find a basketless lid, and I can hope to match them up.
     
  10. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    um, not really.
    it is easy to tell most apart.......from their base construction...

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    Makah.....cedar bark checkerboard weave, surrounded by grass ...most always in a north south east west direction. The less bark that shows thru....the earlier the year of mfg.

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    Nootka .....cedar root centre weave , flaring out in a pinwheel design...

    there are always exceptions......because of the close contact of these two tribal peoples.......but what I've shown above is as good a rule of thumb , as any !!

    Personally.....I find the Nootka baskets to be of finer and tighter weave...for the most part....

    I refer you to an earlier discussion......
    https://www.antiquers.com/threads/mini-native-baskets-makah-or-nootka.9666/
     
  11. all_fakes

    all_fakes Well-Known Member

    Sure, at first glance I thought I saw the Nootka spiral, but looking more closely, not so. And the minimal cedar and geometric design likely indicating an earlier Makah, as stated.
     
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