Featured 17th century etching - worth buying?

Discussion in 'Art' started by Jeff Drum, Dec 15, 2019.

  1. Jeff Drum

    Jeff Drum Well-Known Member

    I have a line on what I believe to be an original 1670-1730 Dutch etching - assuming the link below is giving the date of the etching and not the painting. It's a painting by Jan van Huchtenburgh. (maybe @Any Jewelry knows of him?) Here is a copy of the same etching in the Slovak National Gallery:

    https://www.webumenia.sk/dielo/SVK:SNG.G_2332

    I haven't seen much value in old etchings. And the subject matter isn't exactly pretty. So I'm not convinced there would be much of a market if I wanted to sell it. But assuming this is not a reprint, does anyone have a sense of resale value?
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  2. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    I have heard of him, and of his brother, but that's about all. Here is some info:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huchtenburg

    I suspect it is one of the works he did for prince Eugene of Savoy, one of his patrons.
    One thing I always remember about Eugene of Savoy is that he was known as 'the Turkslayer', for kicking the Turkish army out of European regions where it shouldn't have been. Maybe he was doing just that in this etching and the original painting.

    Eugene of Savoy could be part of your search term.
     
  3. Fid

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  4. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    His surname is van der Meulen, Adam Frans van der Meulen.
    Doesn't look like the same style to me though. Van der Meulen is much more southern Low Countries (rich Baroque) than northern Low Countries (constrained Baroque), like Jan van Huchtenburgh.
    I have no reason to believe Jeff's is not by a northern Dutch/Holland artist like Jan van Huchtenburgh.
     
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  5. Jeff Drum

    Jeff Drum Well-Known Member

    Great help, thanks. So based on the invaluable link listing here: https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/adam-francois-van-der-meulen-1632-1690-36-c-0564d1e910 there was a series of paintings of King Louis XIV (1638-1715) done by Adam Frans van der Meulen (1632-1690). The king hired Meulen to follow him in battle and show how heroic he was. Then they hired several artists to make engravings of the paintings so the heroism of their king could be known by all subjects (looks like etchings were used in the pre-Twitter days). I'm not sure the etching I found is one of this series, but in any case it looks like van der Meulen was the artist, and Jan van Huchtenburgh (1647-1733) was the engraver, and not visa versa (the link to the etching in the National Gallery collection only mentions the engraver) - both their names or initials are at the bottom of the etching.

    So that leaves me with an etching that was presumably printed in the 17th or early 18th century. But is there a market for it? I'm guessing not? And I should therefore refrain from buying it. Into the landfill it goes... :(
     
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  6. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    According to my info Jan van Huchtenburgh was a painter and sketcher, not an engraver. In his younger years in Paris he studied under van der Meulen and designed gobelins (tapestries).
    From the Dutch Institute for Art History:
    https://rkd.nl/nl/explore/artists/40278

    https://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/artists/jan-van-huchtenburgh

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huchtenburg#/media/File:Jan_van_Huchtenburg_-_De_slag_aan_de_Boyne.jpg
     
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  7. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    how much did they ask ? there are still collectors for these engravings, especially with connections to well-known kings - Napoleon would be better.;)
     
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  8. Jeff Drum

    Jeff Drum Well-Known Member

    It would be cheap (<$50) but I have too many old things. I don't think it has much value above that in the US and wouldn't be easy to sell. Would it be different in Europe? I guess it would be easy to ship outside the frame...
     
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  9. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    then I'll drop it as well. if it isn't a rare edition - and we don't know how old it is - probably out of that mentioned collection, it wouldn't reach those 50 in France. plus postage and import tax.
     
  10. Jeff Drum

    Jeff Drum Well-Known Member

    Sorry if I wasn't clear or I don't understand your comment. I'm pretty sure there is only one edition - the google image search of the one I was considering buying had only one match - the link I included from Slovak National Gallery. And if I can trust the date on that one, it is from 1670-1730. And that makes sense given when all these people were alive and dead. Pic of the one I found is below - you can see it is the same etching from the same edition (and it is the same size). What I'm really wondering, is whether the one in the National Gallery has any value - and I'm guessing it doesn't. Historical value, but no market demand?
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