Featured 1770 French vellum document

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  1. rhiwfield

    rhiwfield Well-Known Member

    We bought several boxes of old letters and autographs. Hard enough to decipher at best of times but this 1770 document has us stumped!

    There is writing on the reverse, but I thought one side was more than enough!
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  2. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    It is from Auvergne in the volcanic region of the 'Massif Central' in southern France.
     
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  3. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    Douze Sols -= Twelve Floors

    I expect you to have it fully translated into Welsh by Thursday evening, I`m in your neck of the woods tomorrow :cool:
     
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  4. rhiwfield

    rhiwfield Well-Known Member

    I think it starts "in the matter of Claude Etienne..."
     
  5. rhiwfield

    rhiwfield Well-Known Member

    Douze Sols = Twelve Floors = deuddeg lloriau

    There, done already!

    It has been proverbially p*****g down here for 3 days, you cross the border and just wait and see, the sun will start shining ;)

    Croeso i Cymru :)
     
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  6. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    It is here too, last week we were going to have a drought now everything is soaked.
     
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  7. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    Is it really blurred or is that the picture?
    Tweaking the contrast and making it pin sharp may help make it readable.
     
  8. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    I can read bits of it, but need as af says, sharper and more specific photos.
     
  9. rhiwfield

    rhiwfield Well-Known Member

    Hi, will post more photos shortly, hope they come out sharper but the writing is tiny and faded
     
  10. rhiwfield

    rhiwfield Well-Known Member

    Here goes
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  11. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    It's about some bloke called Claude Etienne from Pierrefont, who has a grievance against someone who has provoked him. Actually, it may be that he's suing the town itself. I'll see if I can pick some more out.
     
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  12. Ladybranch

    Ladybranch Well-Known Member

    Instead of twelve floors, could "douze sols" translate to 12 sols, a French coin aka a sou. I have seen "douze sols" or any number of sols used in a mid 1800s publication as a payment for something.

    Histoire des communautes des arts et metiers de l'Auvergne
    History of Auvergne arts and crafts communities

    Examples from the following link:
    "Art. 94. Ceux qui manqueront a la messe le jour de la fete, paieront douze sols d'amende,..."
    Translates:
    Those who miss the mass on the day of the feast, will pay twelve sols of fine, ...

    "Art. 97. Si un chevalier cassait son arc malicieusenent, il paiera trois livres; sa flèche, douze sols; et s'il la fait avec jurement, il sera exclu."
    Translates:
    If a knight broke his malicious bow, he would pay three pounds; His arrow, twelve sols; And if he does so with oath, he shall be excluded

    Page 399, Art 94 and 97
    https://books.google.com/books?id=JDIbAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA399&lpg=PA399&dq="douze+sols"+Auvergne&source=bl&ots=L3rstoqM9z&sig=pXKo8bohllErE6oaLwel4ce9F48&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiDuIDSzvnTAhVLqlQKHVuGC7MQ6AEIHjAB#v=onepage&q="douze sols" Auvergne&f=false

    --- Susan
     
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  13. rhiwfield

    rhiwfield Well-Known Member

    Susan, that makes much better sense!
     
  14. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    cassait son arc malicieusement means break his bow maliciously( deliberately is a better word),, it's a rule to to rule on the bad tempered sportsmen of the day, like a golfer or tennis player smashing their bat in frustration,, do it with a bit of swearing and the penalty is exclusion. "You cannot be serious!!"

    Accidental breakages are OK. :)
     
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