Featured Help dating 8 Immortals Vase w/ Qianlong 4 Character Mark

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  1. jsnggltt

    jsnggltt Well-Known Member

    IMG_4738.jpeg IMG_4735.jpeg IMG_4734.jpeg Hello everyone,

    I have hit a roadblock finding a "like shaped" vase in my searches. I've come close (say 3 out of 5 elements) but nothing that really shouts "That's It!"

    So necessarily I'm having trouble dating (or even giving a solid geographic) to this 8 immortals, coin embossed, melon shaped vase with 4 character Qianlong mark

    Any insight you could provide would be greatly appreciated ~ Thank you

    Dimensions:

    Height 18" / 45.7cm

    Shoulder = 27" / 68.5cm circ
    Foot = 15" / 38cm circ
    Mouth = 6.5" / 16.5cm circ

    Weight = 9lbs / 4kg
     
    Last edited: Sep 8, 2024
  2. KiwiSusan

    KiwiSusan Member

    Can’t help, sorry..but just wanted to say it’s very beautiful
     
  3. jsnggltt

    jsnggltt Well-Known Member

    "KiwiSusan, post: …it’s very beautiful

    Thank you. Lucky find at a resale shop. It gets a lot of attention from my guests and I’m at a loss for a backstory
     
  4. mmarco102

    mmarco102 Well-Known Member

    Thinking later 20th to current, but to be totally honest mostly because I haven’t seen this decor before, the mark is not under glazed and the gold gilding is not old. The shape is Chinese meiping, if you want to see others. Very pretty.


    not sure what exactly your seeing about the immortals? Wait for other to chime in.

    (Look at your post for the word edit near its bottom edit and click “full image” to help those with a phone view your post. This will get you more views.)
     
    Last edited: Sep 9, 2024
  5. jsnggltt

    jsnggltt Well-Known Member

    mmarco102

    The shape is Chinese meiping

    (Look at your post for the word edit near its bottom edit and click “full image” to help those with a phone view your post. This will get you more views

    Thank you, I've changed the photos to "full image"

    Yes, it's definitely meiping-ish but it has zero waist IMG_4710.jpeg
    Just a smooth, even taper from shoulder to foot
     
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  6. Jose Deleon

    Jose Deleon Active Member

    Definitely later
     
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  7. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Ditto. My guess is very recent Jingdezhen, it has that quality.
    A meiping doesn't have a waist. Sometimes the base is flared, but not always. So yours is definitely a meiping, no -ish needed.;)
    You could call it a melon meiping.
     
  8. mmarco102

    mmarco102 Well-Known Member

    :hilarious: I wanted to say that. :happy:
     
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  9. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Great minds need no -ish.:smug::hilarious:
     
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  10. kentworld

    kentworld Well-Known Member

    I really like it, but I agree with the others that it is likely fairly modern. Perhaps a modern twist on old decoration and design? I wonder if that mark is on gotheborg.com
     
  11. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    It is as if they want to showcase every design they make. And it even works together.;)
     
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  12. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    I looked..... no exact match....but Sothebys out of Hong Kong sold a pair.....solid pale blue..... with what looked like an authentic old mark......that was very close...
    No double red line with gold backing........and the price was..... WOW.......
     
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  13. J Dagger

    J Dagger Well-Known Member

    Age: yesterday at earliest. Maybe this morning. It’s damn nice though. Has great decorative value. Maybe it will be considered a fine antique that when your great grandchildren are old. I’d have bought it at the right price.
     
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  14. gckimm

    gckimm Active Member

    Definitely the Eight Immortals decorating the vase. Pictured are Zhang Guolao (top, holding a peach of immortality) and Han Xiangzi (bottom, playing a flute).
     
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  15. jsnggltt

    jsnggltt Well-Known Member

    Do you mean the mark itself or the way the mark is applied (on top of the glaze) because from what I was reading the mark was used very commonly until the 40s
     
  16. jsnggltt

    jsnggltt Well-Known Member

    Do you intentionally answer questions like that to be snarky or do you just not realize how a comment like that reads to someone who doesn't "understand" your sense of humor?
     
  17. J Dagger

    J Dagger Well-Known Member

    No offense meant partner. Just try to add a little color here and there. It looks brand new if that reads better.
     
  18. jsnggltt

    jsnggltt Well-Known Member

    No offense taken, just sharing a different perspective.

    I’m not concerned with it being any particular age, I’m just trying to figure out where it came from.

    To that point: If it is brand new wouldn’t someone, somewhere be using the internet to try to sell something just like it? (or at least very similar)
     
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  19. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    point taken....... but if newer, it may not yet be uploaded to the net....... or photo's may not have been captured so far.........

    not everything is on the web..
     
  20. jsnggltt

    jsnggltt Well-Known Member

    Sure, if I had purchased the vase new from a shop in or around Jingdezhen then the idea that there were no like images on the web would be fairly easy to understand but this vase was created somewhere, purchased somewhere else and then found it’s way to the Northwest of the United States.

    It floated around out there long enough to wear out its welcome and ultimately be donated to a second hand boutique in Southern Oregon which is where I bought it.

    The chance that the manufacturer is making this clean / well designed a product but isn’t interested in utilizing the internet to sell it seems remote

    the chance that no other version (or like version) of that manufacturers products have been uploaded in the time it took for it to come into my possession seems even more unlikely

    not impossible of course but closely bordering the improbable : )
     
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