Featured Austrian Cigarette case

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  1. Rays123

    Rays123 Member

    case1a.jpg case2a.jpg case3a.jpg case4a.jpg case5a.jpg case6a.jpg Hello,
    I purchased this cigarette case around 20 years ago from a seller in Europe, but I don't remember from which country (maybe Germany). I think I paid maybe $600-700 for it.

    it has some area that is gold colored, but I don't know if it is gold or if it is silver but painted gold. There are also a bunch of tiny stones that maybe are diamond, but I haven't tested them.

    There are a lot of hallmarks on the case and all of them are in a row. There is also one G.A.S mark on the outside of the box (not shown in the photos).

    The strange part is that it has both 900 silver mark and another mark which indicates it is Austrian but it also has an 88 mark which I think Russians used. The case is in a box by C.E.Bolin, a shop in St Petersburg.

    Is this a case that was made in Austria and sold in Russia? And does it look legit?
    And any guess as to how much it might be worth these days?
     
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  2. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    wonderful case...and boxed to boot !!;):woot::woot:
     
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  3. anundverkaufen

    anundverkaufen Bird Feeder

    Maker is Georg Adam Scheid of Vienna.
     
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  4. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

  5. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    He surely did. Worked with Faberge! No idea what it would be worth today.
     
  6. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    Are we sure he worked with Fabergé? The internet only says that some of his pieces later showed up for sale with the Fabergé mark.

    Debora
     
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  7. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    He made things for Faberge . At least some of those marks were legit. Maybe not all of them, but some of them.
     
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  8. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!


    And any guess as to how much it might be worth these days?


    not a clue............. it's worth what you can get for it on the open market...

    try a couple of high end auction houses... as they may give u a ballpark...in hopes of seeing it in their consignments .....

    the tobacconia market is down these days...... but silver gold and jewels.... with an association ..or hint of Faberge......... wellllllllll.......hummmmm...;):woot::woot::woot::woot:
     
  9. kyratango

    kyratango Bug jewellery addiction!

    :woot:A master piece! Georg Adam Scheid does very well in sales, the Russian connection is indeed a +
     
  10. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Beautiful case, Rays.:)
    The top crown means it would have been made for a member of the aristocracy. Whether that member was Russian or Austrian is difficult to see, but my guess would be a Russian aristocrat.
    In Western Europe this specific crown would be of either a duke or marquis, but it would be interesting to research Russian crowns.

    The double-headed eagle with imperial crown, like you see on the guilloche enameled centre, was used by both empires. There is a slight difference between the two crowns, but that is too small to be depicted on such a small crest.
    C.E. Bolin was a jeweller to the Russian court, so that makes a case for it having been made for a Russian aristocrat.

    And it looks legit to me.
    Very likely gold appliqués.
    Have them tested if you can. They could be diamonds or sapphires.
     
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  11. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Do you have any info on that?
    As far as I know he was German, but took an apprenticeship in nearby Austria at an early age and continued to be firmly rooted in the Habsburg (Austro-Hungarian) Empire.

    His work was high quality and it doesn't surprise me that Bolin, a high end jeweller in St Petersburg sold his creations. I have never read of a connection with Fabergé though.
    The Fabergé shop did sell work by others, just like Bolin did, but I don't know if Fabergé sold work by G.A. Scheid.
    But even if we have proof that Fabergé sold Scheid pieces, selling Scheid's work does not imply that he worked with Fabergé.
     
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  12. laura9797

    laura9797 Well-Known Member

    I love anything with guilloche enamel!!!! Splendid!
     
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  13. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member

    Nice piece! Wish these old eyes could make out all the marks, but can see that the mark at far right is an '84' rather than '88' - the fineness is .900, so it wouldn't have been stamped '88' since it wouldn"t meet the minimum .916 (88 zolotnik) quality.

    Can't say I've heard of a Fabergé/Scheid connection either, other than pieces of their extremely fine enamel work are found with fake Fabergé stamps, usually overstamped or the Scheid marks removed. Russian silver was and is so widely faked, that similar Continental silver by other makers also had their marks replaced with Russian marks, not just Fabergé...

    ~Cheryl
     
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  14. Rays123

    Rays123 Member

    Good idea. I will send the pics and see if any of them are interested and if they give a ballpark figure. Thanks.
     
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  15. Rays123

    Rays123 Member

    You are right Cheryl. It's 84 and not 88. Your eyes are much better than mine :)
     
  16. Rays123

    Rays123 Member

    Thanks for the info about the crown. That's interesting information. I thought the crown was simply to make it look fancy and part of the decoration rather than signifying something about the owner.

    You are right about the gold looking part. I examined it very closely with a loupe and I can see a tiny spot that is flat and is not gold colored.

    I am curious about the stones too, specially that bigger sapphire looking stone. I have some cheap diamond tester somewhere....if I can find it, I will test it :)
    Thanks.
     
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  17. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    That's a back-of-my brain connection. I was told once by a fine antiques dealer that Faberge sold some Scheid pieces, and a brain fart may have added the rest.
     
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