Is this Meissen, Helena Wolfsohn or a later copy?

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  1. NTC Collector

    NTC Collector Well-Known Member

    Hi all, hoping someone can help identify the maker and age of this teapot heater - measures 15cm high and 20cm wide. The feet show signs of age but otherwise very little wear. Is it a copy (my starting assumption) or could it actually be genuine Meissen or Helena Wolfsohn given the mark? Many thanks.

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  2. laura9797

    laura9797 Well-Known Member

    Found this interesting:
    Contrary to what is often stated on some websites and in some books, it was not Helena Wolfsohn herself who copied the marks of other manufacturers. The business had been taken over in 1878 by Wolfsohn's daughter Emilie (*1823-APR-23, †1901-JAN-17). Emilie was married to the businessman Anton Elb and together they had four children:

    Felicia Elb (married Gluckmann) and Max Elb (*1852-OCT-29) did not remain connected with the decoration studio business, unlike Franziska Elb (married Hirsch) and finally Leopold Arthur Elb (see below).

    Anyway, the couple decided to continue the name of the studio, soon winning a prize at the Leipzig fair as well as the Gold Medal at the Sidney fair in 1879. The same year however they also ran into trouble for copying the "A.R." ("Augustus Rex") mark which originally was a registered trademark of the KPM in Meißen. The exact year the business started to use the "A.R." mark is documented because the KPM instantly appealed for court intervention. Instead of completely stopping to use the mark however, it was slightly changed all the time as to make it more difficult for the court to decide; the second "A.R." mark shown below with the arrow pointing upwards is one of the examples used around 1880 (it's the same one used on the item they received the Gold Medal for in Brussels that year).

    It took until 1881 (in Germany) and 1883 (in England) before the studio was forced to finally stop using the offending mark and all related versions. The court also ruled that the company had to compensate the KPM for the use of their mark as well as all slightly abstracted versions introduced during the period of the court case itself. The fee was so high that it brought the Elb family near bankruptcy and due to the strain Emilie fell ill, never to recover. The former glory had long crumbled and the only real success following the end of the court cases was the First Class Award the company received 1891 in London.

    https://www.porcelainmarksandmore.com/germany/saxony/dresden-02/
     
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  3. NTC Collector

    NTC Collector Well-Known Member

    Very interesting - do you think that’s what this piece is?
     
  4. laura9797

    laura9797 Well-Known Member

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