Featured chinese seal

Discussion in 'Antique Discussion' started by hunt2, Jul 20, 2024.

  1. hunt2

    hunt2 Well-Known Member

    IMG_20240720_112249968.jpg IMG_20240720_112257054.jpg IMG_20240720_112045635.jpg how old is this chinese seal? It is a daoist or taoist seal. 8 x 7,5 x 6 cm
     
  2. wlwhittier

    wlwhittier Well-Known Member

    I got no idea, but I sure like it... Thanks!
     
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  3. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    rather large for a seal....could it be a paper weight ?
     
  4. hunt2

    hunt2 Well-Known Member

    well imperial chinese seals are quite larger
     
  5. hunt2

    hunt2 Well-Known Member

    it is very cool and the stone is a mystery because it attracts strongly a magnet and containts olivine crystals. meteorite??
     
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  6. bosko69

    bosko69 Well-Known Member

    Ditto,very attractive.With old looking Chinese items,my basic rule of thumb is that they're all brand new.
    The Chinese have an ancient tradition of replicating old/ancient pieces as a form of homage,and to test their skills.The highest level replicas are superb pieces of art in their own right.
    There's also millions of counterfeits and forgeries produced to make money.Takes a really expert eye & sometimes testing to determine true age.
     
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  7. hunt2

    hunt2 Well-Known Member

    oke, but just for the fun of it, if it was real how old you think it would be?
     
  8. hunt2

    hunt2 Well-Known Member

    bought it on catawiki and the seller put two date periods 1900-2000 and 1950-1960 . but i think it could be old according the wear and sings of use.
     
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  9. bosko69

    bosko69 Well-Known Member

    Hunt-I'll be posting a pair of Chinese Archaistic Bronze Gu Vases I saw yesterday.I know they're not Shang or Zhou period,but if they were 19th or early 20th century I'd be happy.
    Your seals lovely-sorry can't help w/precise dating.It sounds like your seller was being very cautious & up front re their product.
     
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  10. hunt2

    hunt2 Well-Known Member

    yes that is always the case at catawiki because the don't want to get in trouble when the wrongly date it. almost every item is mentioned as 20th century.
     
  11. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    well 55 euro's is not a princely sum...... & the Asian art forum does not seem to be helping you , Alex ....... let's hope we're better !!
     
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  12. bosko69

    bosko69 Well-Known Member

    DITTO-I do wish the Asian Art Forum could be a bit more engaged,but-'in a perfect world...'.
     
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  13. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    once took my antique Chinese vase to a Chinese guy next door to ask if he could read the markings..
    He laughed at my vase, saying in China...... if it's not at least 400 years old....... it's no antique !!
     
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  14. hunt2

    hunt2 Well-Known Member

    dito here, but i still hope Mr Nagy will reply he always translates seals for me on asian art forum.
     
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  15. bosko69

    bosko69 Well-Known Member

    They translated an antique bill of sale for me once-in detail,it was great.Here's hoping for Us both that Mr. Nagy's feeling spry this week !
     
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  16. wlwhittier

    wlwhittier Well-Known Member

    That is my experience as well.
    Praise an' Honors for Mr. Nagy!
     
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  17. gckimm

    gckimm Active Member

    Chinese seal characters are difficult to read, even for literate Chinese people. I can tell you that the characters here are not at all traditional seal characters, particularly because of the decorative flourishes like the little curlicues. My guess is that this is a modern piece not made for actual sealing.
     
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  18. hunt2

    hunt2 Well-Known Member

    View attachment 493175 View attachment 493170
    The seal is defently not a fake and has been used allot, judging by all the wear. It is as i mentioned in the beginning a daoist or taoist seal hence the strange caracters and symbols. google it and you will come across a ming dynasty one with the same wear. And it contains red cinebar ink so that proves it is a seal. That is at least my opinion. But translating will be difficult also because of the ninefold script in some parts.

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  19. Boland

    Boland Well-Known Member

    Interesting and cool looking item. I like the buddhist lion. The fact that it’s strongly magmatic is almost more intriguing than the seal itself. I honestly don’t know what to really think of it. I have seen with some African stone carvings that its easy to show ‘signs’ of age and ‘wear’ with a few scraps/nicks and chips. Like wise I would think it would be easy to fake the ‘red ink used’ look? Is the whole thing magnetic,top to bottom?
     
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  20. hunt2

    hunt2 Well-Known Member

    yes the whole stone atracts a magnet, no idea what type of stone
     
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