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Hi All, I found these 3 pieces and need some help. All 3 have the same pattern on the front and back but are made by 2 different people and time period. The spoons were made in 1812 by Richard Turner, the sifter was made by (I think) Chawner & Co (George William Adams), guess the date letter is H for 1843.
Would companies copy patterns from one another?
any information appreciated
thanks for looking







is this date letter H?

 

It looks like K to me, for 1845:
https://www.silvermakersmarks.co.uk/Dates/London/Date Letters K.html

 

Patterns were commonly copied such as the King's pattern and many others. Also it was not unusual to have items made to order, so if you needed some more of something you could take it to a silversmith and have them make more for you.

 

Wonderful, that is it, thank-you AJ

great information, thank-you Ce BCA

 

It is highly likely that all of these pieces started life as plain Old English pattern and were later decorated. The Victorians were notorious for ruining simple silver with over-elaborate decorations to suit the 19th century taste.

 

called Frankenstiening.... right?

 

Clobbering.

 

ya, that's it !!!

 

I've only ever seen these in contemporary silverplate. Here's one set that combines Kings and Fruits on the same pieces. I didn't know there were earlier versions.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/3260735319...H/GkbkzHZSp4OH0Kkb1m/A2C6Q==|tkp:BFBMxorsvtpj

 

OLder spoons being decorated in Victorian times and even into late 20th century referred to as being "Berried"....unfortunately a lot of very early spoons desecrated in this manner.....very little craftsmanship as a fly press used so therefore all patterns are alike, no individuality......shame !!

 

At least the clobbering was fairly well-done - here's an example of how bad a clobbered piece could be:




~Cheryl

 

Clobbered . . . that's a new one for me. Those darn Victorians. I do like that term. Will have to remember to use it in a sentence today.

 

Do you all think that @cxgirl 's pieces were clobbered? (there's the sentence, that was so easy) I wouldn't make a good Victorian. I always thought those "berried" pieces were too gaudy. And think of all the food that would get trapped and stuck in the groovy pattern.

 

So interesting!
"I must be on the lookout for clobbered silver"
There's my sentence.

 

Neither would I. I always call the second half of the 19th century 'the era of bad taste', although they did make some beautiful things.

Ditto.