Featured Coloured Etching Simon Fokke / Pierre Fouquet

Discussion in 'Art' started by Marote, Mar 12, 2024.

  1. Marote

    Marote Well-Known Member

    Thrift shop buy
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    The larger text on the back is a short history of the tower and its surroundings.
    The smaller text says this was a gift for a 12.5 year anniversary at the Dutch Footbal/Soccer association, KNVB. I haven't been able to date this (in the gift form), as the name of the person who got this isn't mentioned. There's only a list of committee members of the Amsterdam youth department, and I can't find any info on when those people worked for the KNVB. I only know it must have been given before 25 November 1994, as one of the mentioned members died that day ...

    An original would date from 1783
    These guys https://aca-auctions.nl/veiling/veiling-40/kavel/prent-7e26 sold one for 10 EUR :(
    And these guys https://oneofakindantiques.com/product/7843/P-Fouquet-Junior-print-of-Amsterdam-Netherlands-c1780 are selling a coloured version for $875 :wideyed: (wishfull thinking?)

    I didn't take it out of the frame (yet), so no idea what type of paper it is and no idea if this will show any additional info to be able to date it.
    Maybe one of you can already tell me more just by the looks of it.
     
  2. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    Here's the Rijksmuseum entry, but it doesn't add much that's useful so far as dating an example.

    https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/collection/RP-P-1905-404

    I can't tell from the photos. Given the publication history, it's most likely on laid paper, but at that date wove was available. It could be original, it could be a reproduction, it could be a modern re-strike. Looking at the paper might help. It's a '70s style modular frame. Does it have "glare free" glass?

    Coloring is always problematic because it can be added at any time.
     
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  3. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    Oh. look!
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    It's the Enterprise!
     
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  4. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    ya , the frame is mid 1970's bang on.. ...... or later of course!
    :hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::greyalien::greyalien::greyalien:
     
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  5. Marote

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  6. Marote

    Marote Well-Known Member

    I had to do my best with the angle, to avoid scaring you with the reflection of my face :eek::wacky:
     
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  7. Marote

    Marote Well-Known Member

    I found the son of one of the committee members on LinkedIn. Contacted him to see if he can narrow down the timeframe for the presentation of the gift. And if he can't/won't help me, I will contact the KNVB.
    In the meantime, I'm going to look for a screwdriver ...
     
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  8. Marote

    Marote Well-Known Member

    And here are the results of the surgery on the frame:

    Back:
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    Corner, with positioning lines
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    close-up of passe-partout
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    And a few more close-ups
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  9. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    Still can't be sure, but looks like it's a reproduction on wove paper, quite possibly contemporary with the framing. I'm just not getting a sense of engraved or etched lines. It looks relief printed, but I could still be wrong.
     
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  10. Marote

    Marote Well-Known Member

    No pressing marks. Totally flat paper.
     
  11. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    Well then, most likely a modern reproduction.
     
  12. Marote

    Marote Well-Known Member

    12.5 year anniversary, and they gave a reproduction ... :rolleyes:
    With the 25 year ann. they probably gave a mug with the same image...
     
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  13. Marote

    Marote Well-Known Member

    Any thoughts on how this was made, if it's from the 70s? Would a normal print get those colour differences? Or would the black parts be printed and the rest hand coloured? No printing dots visible with a loupe
     
  14. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    Some form of lithography, most likely, but I don't know what.

    The Rijksmuseum does say etching/engraving, so if it's not an intaglio print, I don't see what it can be other than a reproduction. Photolithography does fine with solid lines; the question becomes: how was the color applied? It doesn't look to me like hand applied color washes.
     
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  15. Marote

    Marote Well-Known Member

    As a wise person once said:
    "don't hastily discard a print as a "mere litho reproduction print", but rather see closely if it is a vintage offset litho produced with artistic appeal."
    Paging @TT Antique for additional thoughts

    To my untrained eye, it looks like normal colour pencil ...
     
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  16. TT Antique

    TT Antique Well-Known Member

    Marote, after your investigation, even if you reach the conclusion that it is not the original thing ( etching/engraving ), you certainly have a nice looking vintage repro print . You did good in picking it.

    P.s. but I am not as such "wise" : ) , I am just a rookie asking questions and learning from experienced folks...

    TTA
     
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  17. Marote

    Marote Well-Known Member

    That's my definition of a wise person :)
     
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