W L H tea set

Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by Chinoiserie, Jan 24, 2024.

  1. Chinoiserie

    Chinoiserie Well-Known Member

    I picked this up the other day and thought I had it nailed when I came across this listing.

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/283524899222

    Just sat down and had a closer look and it seems it's not William Lowe as described. William Lowe used the letters WLL in an upside down triangle. Seems they might be a bit out with the price too!

    I can't find WLH on the potteries but there is a WHL. W Lockitt. Still no visual matches though. The Rd 251169 should give it away but I always forget where these are located. All I know is that it is 1895

    Anyone got any ideas please?

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  2. kentworld

    kentworld Well-Known Member

    I would think that Lockitt is correct. Made for local markets probably since England doesn't appear on the mark. JMHO.
     
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  3. Chinoiserie

    Chinoiserie Well-Known Member

    Okay I will go down that line first thanks. It could read WHL if the WH are on the same line and the L on the next line as it appears. Also there is a full stop after the L which might indicate the last character.
     
  4. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    Looking up the registry number in British Porcelain Design Registrations 1842-1883, I get 1871, but the numbers skip from 251013 to 251246 and neither of the companies cited has those initials.
     
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  5. Chinoiserie

    Chinoiserie Well-Known Member

    Hmm. I got 1895 :arghh:
     
  6. Chinoiserie

    Chinoiserie Well-Known Member

    1890 141273
    1891
    163767
    1892
    185713
    1893
    205240
    1894
    224720
    1895
    246975
    1896
    268392
    1897
    291241
    1898
    311658
    1899
    331707
     
  7. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    Downloaded to my computer years ago.
    I don't know, I'm just saying...
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    Is yours porcelain or bone china? Could they be glazed earthenware?
     
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  8. Chinoiserie

    Chinoiserie Well-Known Member

    Looking at the brokied ones it is white inside, so porcelain or bone China. I never realised they had different sets of numbers for different materials, although I was aware that one of the things on the lozenges referred to material type.
     
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  9. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

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  10. Chinoiserie

    Chinoiserie Well-Known Member

    If its English this dates it to 1895. I didnt consider that it could be US though so that's a whole new kettle of fish.
     
  11. Chinoiserie

    Chinoiserie Well-Known Member

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  12. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    I’ve not seen an American patent number with that format. Yes, useful site isn’t it.
     
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  13. Chinoiserie

    Chinoiserie Well-Known Member

    It looks it. Very deep and wide at a glance.
     
  14. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    The US does not use the term Registered Design or anything close to the Rd No printed in these pieces. Later in the 1900s you start to see registered trademark on product labels.
     
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  15. Chinoiserie

    Chinoiserie Well-Known Member

    Okay I'm reading something wrong then. Ill go back and have a look
     
  16. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    I see where I went wrong. After the registration diamond was discontinued, they started counting again from 1.
     
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  17. Chinoiserie

    Chinoiserie Well-Known Member

    We have a saboteur in our midst.
     
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  18. kentworld

    kentworld Well-Known Member

    So, I got a cute little cup for peanuts in Scotland years ago. It had an Rd number in a rectangle similar to Chinoiserie's and I reckoned late 19th c. It was a familiar pattern used for decades. Imagine my surprise, it turned up to be early 20th c. Live and learn!
     
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