African fertility carving

Discussion in 'Tribal Art' started by charlie cheswick, Dec 22, 2023.

  1. charlie cheswick

    charlie cheswick Well-Known Member

    Hi Folks

    something i bought this week on ebay for not very much as it was poorly pictured and described

    although its quite crudely carved i thought there looked something authentic about it

    there looks to have genuine wear around the decoration handling middle part

    could be wrong of course as there are alot about that look made yesterday

    measures 9 1/2 inches

    any information about this piece or comments very much appreciated

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  2. Potteryplease

    Potteryplease Well-Known Member

    Ashanti is likely the key term to search for this.
     
  3. Boland

    Boland Well-Known Member

    Most certainly. I see similar ones around every now and then.
     
  4. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    Akuaba ... & I doubt this is recent..... I'd think more towards the 1960's.... give or take......
    I'd have snagged too !!!
     
  5. charlie cheswick

    charlie cheswick Well-Known Member

    awesome, thanks kome
     
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  7. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    A few things about your akua'ba doll are atypical/non-traditional, which may indicate it is a recent version made for sale. Here is an example of a more traditional form -
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    https://www.hamillgallery.com/ASANTE/AsanteAkuabas/AsanteAkuaba21.html

    Because the dolls are carried tucked at the back of a woman's sash, they usually do not have integral stands that allow them to be free standing objects, and separate legs are usually not depicted. Although they are believed to help a woman conceive, they are generally not depicted as already pregnant. They also have at least vestigial breasts, which I cannot see on your figure (although maybe it is just the lighting).

    Here is an example at the Met with a more naturalistic body, which is also described as atypical -
    "Full-bodied figures such as this are believed to be a recent twentieth-century innovation within the akua'ba sculptural tradition."
    https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/312279

    And a bit on akua'ba dolls from Antiques Road Show -
    https://www.pbs.org/video/antiques-roadshow-appraisal-ashanti-akuaba-dolls-ca-1960/
     
  8. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

  9. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

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  10. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    What is your point? And why are so many exclamation points required? Do you mean to be yelling?

    I posted it as an example of the more traditional style, with the benefit of an actual provenance which does say it was collected in 1962. Of course this implies it could have been made before then.
     
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  11. charlie cheswick

    charlie cheswick Well-Known Member


    thanks for the info 2mb interesting stuff
     
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  12. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    c'mon 2mb.....my point is that what you showed... very traditional....is an antique, where as my comments do not go in that direction.

    And please......
    3 little exclamation points do in no way , on any platform ... suggest yelling....

    Have I upset you in any way ?
    if so...... tell me........tell us all !
     
  13. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    Komo, it seemed clear that you were objecting to something, but it was not clear what you were objecting to. I am still not clear on what you were objecting to. My post was comparing traditional vs non-traditional features. I was not critiquing your suggested date. I try to find examples with some sort of provenance - the one I used just happened to have a 1960s date attached.
     
  14. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    I see no reason I have to yell at you .... no reason to dis you or come at you sideways in any manner.......

    We both commented on Charlies doll......
    I objected to nothing.......but your link used a collection date , while I suspected a manufacture date......so I wanted to point that out ....

    Strongly...... with extra exclamation ..

    you seem to believe that in some way I took it personally......by yelling at you ..

    I was not !
     
  15. wlwhittier

    wlwhittier Well-Known Member

    Lions an' Tigers an' Bears...oh, my!
     
  16. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    I guess your eccentric emphasis can be easy to misunderstand.
     
  17. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    Yes, I can be overly emotional at times.....but even easier to misunderstand when someone is looking to find fault .

    & besides....I commented on a link , and mentioned nothing about your post which was helpful and informative , and I'm on my heals here wondering why..& what you took personally ?
     
  18. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    I'm going to continue to engage on threads where we have similar interests.... like your basket thread..... while bearing in mind to be as factual & circumspect as possible to avoid any further misunderstandings.....:)

    Komo
     
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