Featured Help with two necklaces, is the pink beaded flapper? what age are they?

Hello all, happy Friday! Hoping you can help with the age of two necklaces. The first gold coloured one (likely gold filled or brass-17"L) is from an auction- described as 1940s. The second pink one is glass seed beads with larger clear crystal beads. The pink is rather fragile (54"L), one tassel fell apart after I took the photos but with a crude repair it is fixed for now. I thought the gold one looked a little older than the 40s, the pink possibly flapper-but maybe a 1970s revival? Any and all input appreciated! Thank you

 

Wait for others but the first one looks to me like Toledo ware, faux Damascene.

 

The pink one looks to me like a genuine period sautoir.

 

Sautoir for sure. It may well be that old, but the style came around a few times. A bead expert might sort it out.

 

Older Toledo ware, might even be pre war.

 

Flapper lariat necklace!

 

Would you be kind enough to tell us why your think the Toledoware necklace is older? I ask because... to my eye, it looks 1960s.

Debora

 

Hi there! I've had a few late Victorian, early Edwardian brass/rolled gold necklaces that have felt similar to this so I thought perhaps this one was a bit older than the 40s at least. Could be totally wrong of course and why I shared in the hopes that those more knowledgeable could help

 

Thanks everyone! The pink sautoir/lariat was in a junk jewelry lot so I'm pleased with that find

 

Agreed on the Toledo ware. I see what you saw on a slight resemblance to a book chain, but it's the painted white bit that gives it away as later.

Another vote for the sautoir being original.

 

"Painted white." Helpful and I will remember.

Debora

 

Isn't that silvertone, to imitate the real silver used on Toledo damascene?

 

The sort of book chain style, short length, the weight of the brass, the colour of it - it’s much less bright than sixties pieces, even those with wear. The decoration isn’t as touristique as later ones, too. The sixties and even fifties pieces I have are much more florid if that makes sense. They’re also more precise, I’d think more mechanical processes used in the stamping.

As aj says, the white enamelling is wannabe silver.

The clasp too looks a bit earlier.

 

You're right about the finish. Given it's delicacy, length and the white paint, it could be 1950s. I'd be doubtful it was older than that. Spain's "pre war" period ended in 1936 with the start of their civil war.

Debora

 

Yes it is actually a silver colour, not white- just checked with a loupe!

 

The pink one, are the beads pink or clear with pink stringing?

 

They look to be clear with pink cores.

 

Yes, as @evelyb30 says clear with pink glass core! The string isn't pink.

 

I have a brooch where the paint is white so I assumed. I guess they come in multitude. But my point being, it is a paint instead of enamel or metal.

 

I think you can still buy those then. I seem to remember seeing clear beads with a pink core very like this when I was looking for something else . Not that that proves or disproves age as some have been recreated for donkeys years!