English Plated Fish Fork & Knife. Why No Hallmarks?

Discussion in 'Silver' started by vitry-le-francois, Oct 8, 2023.

  1. vitry-le-francois

    vitry-le-francois Well-Known Member

    This lovely fish service has an English registry mark on the back of both handles. However, there are no hallmarks for the manufacturer. Any idea why?

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  2. silvermakersmarks

    silvermakersmarks Well-Known Member

    Hallmarks are only applicable to precious metal. Silver plate / electroplate is not required to be marked in any way. Some manufacturers mark, others don't.

    Phil
     
  3. vitry-le-francois

    vitry-le-francois Well-Known Member


    Well, that is just plain dumb!
     
  4. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    It isn't "dumb" at all. The definition of "hallmark" is a mark conferred by a guild or hall or a government office entrusted with the assay of items made of precious metal (usually silver or gold) that meets the requirements of the national standard. Silver plate is not made of silver meeting the standards of the UK - at least .925 of 1000 silver.
     
  5. vitry-le-francois

    vitry-le-francois Well-Known Member

    It's dumb. D-U-M-B!
    There! I'm stomping my feet, now.
     
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  6. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    Oh behave. ;)

    Registry marks apply to designs, many manufacturers may have paid to use it.
     
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  7. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Hallmarks are legal marks which stand for a guarantee by a government or local authority. They guarantee the fineness of the precious metal, for instance.
    As Bakers explained, they used to be issued by goldsmith and silversmith guildhalls, hence the term hallmark.
    I know this is confusing for some North Americans, because you don't have this specific legal system. But in Europe, North Africa, and some other places it has been in use for centuries.

    What you would like to see on your pretty set is a manufacturer's mark.
    Because it isn't precious metal, there is no need for a hallmark. In fact it would be illegal to mark it with a hallmark.
    And as Phil explained, some manufacturers mark, others don't. Life is tough, I know.;)
     
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  8. vitry-le-francois

    vitry-le-francois Well-Known Member

    Yes, a manufacturer's mark would be nice!
    (I'm still stomping my feet!)
     
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  9. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    You could add it yourself.;)
    Careful, those bones in your feet are very delicate.:nurse:
     
  10. vitry-le-francois

    vitry-le-francois Well-Known Member


    Can I just fold my arms and pout?
     
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  11. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Much better.
     
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