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  1. Rclinftl

    Rclinftl Well-Known Member

    Russian Icon - can anyone translate?

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  2. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Here are a couple currently active members who have volunteered for Russian in the "Translators" thread.

    @IvaPan @Aznathalie
     
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  3. Roaring20s

    Roaring20s Well-Known Member

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  4. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    It is actually in an older Cyrillic alphabet that includes several letters no longer extant. Old Church Slavonic, Church Slavic, or something like that. The two people that @Bakersgma tagged are some of the most likely regulars to know how to read it. We have occasionally had others show up. I did also volunteer for Russian on the translators thread but this is not in modern Russian.
     
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  5. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

  6. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    I was told the only people who maybe still read Slavonic are a few old Orthodox priests. Thankfully, the writing on Icons is probably pretty standardized.
     
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  7. Chinoiserie

    Chinoiserie Well-Known Member

    This is probably completely wrong but Google translate comes up with the following. Which translates as non-female pratias

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  8. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Old Church Slavonic originated in Bulgaria, so Iva is probably our best bet.;) Bakers has tagged her, and she will help if she has time.
     
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  9. nastina.nastea

    nastina.nastea Well-Known Member

    This icon is called "Our Lady of Kazan", or "Mother of God of Kazan", which is in Russian "Икона Казанской Божьей Матери".

    Upper left and right corners: MP OY - is a short form from Greek that means "Mother of God"

    IC XC - short from Greek that means "Jesus Christ"

    And the below line is actually "Mother of God of Kazan" written in Church old Slavonic language.
     
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  10. IvaPan

    IvaPan Well-Known Member

    Thank you, Any and Bakers!

    Nastina is right, this is a version of Mother of God of Kazan. The last line says exactly "Mother of God of Kazan" but the only word that is not shortened, is actually the adjective "Of Kazan" which is the first word of the sentence "Kazanskij" ""Казанский " in modern Russian it should be "Казанской". The rest is "Пресвятой Богородицы" or "Of The Most Holly Mother of God" but the two words are shortened, probably to fit the space. The words are inflected in Genitive case, the old Bulgarian had cases.

    I am no expert in Church Slavonic which indeed is the old Bulgarian and originated here but the contemporary Bulgarian Cyrillic is modified (as well as the Russian Cyrillic now) and the language has also evolved, now Bulgarian (almost) does not have cases while in all other Slavic languages there are still cases - e.g. Russian has 6 cases, and in Polish there are even 7 cases.

    Anyway, this I can read, also anyone knowing Cyrillic writing language, can read it, too.
     
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  11. IvaPan

    IvaPan Well-Known Member

    Absolutely, Fig! Actually, for me it is quite difficult to read in Old Bulgarian which is actually Church Slavonic as it existed and holy books were written in it more than 1000 years ago (in IX century AD). There is a story behind Old Bulgarian being Church Slavic but it is too long to be written here.
     
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  12. IvaPan

    IvaPan Well-Known Member

    Actually, as far as I know, Church Slavonic is being studied at our Theological gymnasium or Seminary in Sofia, so I guess most of its alumni can read it.It is necessary for them in order to study the old religious texts.
     
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  13. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    Cool! I'm happy to hear that.
     
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  14. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

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