Pair of pottery pieces likely unrelated looking for affiliation and regions

Hi, I found both of these pieces next to each other and on the same shelf, though I don't think they have any relation to each other besides a clerk grouping pottery. The small bowl looks to be Native American but my research only leaves me confused. The pitcher likewise leads to no good answer. The bowl is around 2.5" tall and and the pitcher is around 6.5" tall. I'm hoping somebody has some thoughts or ideas on either or both and thanks in advance.

 

I don't think those two pieces are related.

The smaller one does have characteristics of Pueblo pottery. I'm gonna make a WAG and say Isleta Pueblo, but I bet @Taupou knows.

 

If it was a thrift, they may have come into the store together as part of a donated collection.

 

The little red pot looks like it may be Hopi, "Sichomovi Polychrome". I have no idea about the pitcher.

 

The design looks right, and especially the color, but the texture doesn't look like Hopi to me. Hopi pieces I have are all very smooth, very pleasant to touch. This one looks more coarse to me.

But, of coarse, I could be wrong!

 

I agree, there is reason to be skeptical. Hopefully @Taupou will weigh in.

 

The vase looks kindasorta like a Catawba pottery piece I found recently. The shape is right anyway.

 

I agree with Potteryplease, about the finish of the pot not being like Hopi. I would think this pot is probably from Laguna Pueblo. (And it was a group of Laguna potters who moved from Laguna to Isleta in the late 1800s and introduced their new style, in use from then until the 1930s, that became known as the iconic Isleta style.) So there is a connection there.

But this particular pot, with the black rectangles set on an angle, was frequently used in the 1920s at Laguna itself, and as recently as 1993. Examples of pots with both are illustrated in the 2nd edition of their book Southwestern Pottery Anasazi to Zuni by Allan Hayes and John Blom. I don't know of any other tribe that is known for its use of that design pattern.

The plain undecorated pitcher, I can't positively identify. But the bottom treatment and overall design is not one associated with any Native American tribe, as far as I know. Catawba pots generally have a distinctive "pointed" handle, and a little more "sheen" to the clay body. It's a hand-made, outdoor-fired pot, but most likely from "somewhere else."

 

These are from Southwestern Pottery Anasazi to Zuni.

Isleta


Laguna

 

Thanks for the photos @say_it_slowly! The small piece in the bottom left of the Isleta picture you posted was the one I had looked at for this piece in the OP.

 

I figured most people wouldn't have a copy laying around to look at after it was mentioned.

 

It's definitely my personal go-to!