French Blue 19th Century Sevres (Napoleon the Third)

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  1. Henry SJ

    Henry SJ Member

    I’m getting pictures of the marking’s tomorrow hopefully, I trust his products are authentic and his restoration are top draw, his prices on the other hand are another matter.
     
  2. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    it's like a mechanic who sells broken cars....but will fix them for you....
    here we call that double dipping..!
     
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  3. Henry SJ

    Henry SJ Member

    He certainly is a a double dipper. But in all fairness he’s a restorer by profession so makes sense that his products need restoring.
     
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  4. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Restorers know about styles and the right materials and techniques to use for a certain style. They have their specialisations, for instance furniture or porcelain.
    Restorers rarely know the ins and outs of marks and manufacturers, and they are not specialised antiques dealers.
    Your restorer may be a very nice guy who means well, and he may be a good craftsman, but that doesn't make him a trusted antiques dealer.

    Having said that, if he specialises in restoring quality porcelain like Sèvres, he should know what's what, and certainly know that this is not Sèvres.
     
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  5. Henry SJ

    Henry SJ Member

    The issue is he only speaks Spanish, so everything has to go through a translator, hence why certain details may be wrong. He mostly specialises in furniture.
     
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  6. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    Convenient that. Where in Spain is this dealer located?

    Debora
     
  7. Henry SJ

    Henry SJ Member

    Thats a shame.
     
  8. Henry SJ

    Henry SJ Member

    He’s in Seville
     
  9. Henry SJ

    Henry SJ Member

    hello everyone, this is the picture of the sevres markings. I’ve been told the bronze gilding will be restored although I’m not sure about that since you guys advised against it. What do you think about these markings???
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  10. Henry SJ

    Henry SJ Member

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  11. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

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    nice mark but I can't say that it matches any of these..
     
  12. Henry SJ

    Henry SJ Member

    Yeh I think it’s late 19th century
     
  13. dgbjwc

    dgbjwc Well-Known Member

    IF (and it's a big if) it were genuine a BB code would date to it to 1779. I'm more sure than ever it's a contemporary piece.
     
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  14. Henry SJ

    Henry SJ Member

    Yeh that doesn’t sound right to me, they said it was 19th century, so it’s a replica?
     
  15. kentworld

    kentworld Well-Known Member

    I took the liberty of posting pix to another forum mostly to satisfy my curiosity. The "BB" was ringing a bell -- incorrect as it turns out. I was thinking Bernard Bloch, but Bourdois & Bloch, a Paris factory, would've been a better bell to ring. Here is the reply to my query:
    Definitely not Sevres. This is a late 19th century piece with an imitation mark. Sevres has not used a hand painted double mark since the 18th century. Probably decorated in Paris. BB could possibly stand for Bourdois & Bloch, Paris. It could also just be that whoever decorated it was trying to make the item look more passable by imitating the Sevres date code for 1779 which is BB. In 1779, Sevres was producing hard paste; however, Sevres hard paste had a crown above it, and the S. is not a Sevres decorator mark. In fact, the S followed by a dot (or sometimes several dots) is a commonly found on late 19th century pieces decorated in the Sevres style. It's a nice piece, well decorated, but definitely not a 1779 Sevres piece.
     
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  16. Henry SJ

    Henry SJ Member

    Thank you very much for the research. So this is a 19th century replica of 18th century serves?
     
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  17. kentworld

    kentworld Well-Known Member

    "In the style of 18th c Sevres" sounds a lot classier than imitation or replica. ;)
     
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  18. Henry SJ

    Henry SJ Member

    Ah I see, thank you
     
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