Royal denmark signature help

Can i have your exper opinions on this porcelain plate. Its 22,5cm diametrer, have some small black holes.

There is a impressed number 6 at the bottom and royal denmarks blue mark and above the signature of the artist in light blue.



Could you help me with the edge motif, the flower depicted on it, the signature and the era when this plate is made?

 

Do you mean 3 wavy lines for Royal Copenhagen?

I don't think that's it on your plate.

https://www.royalcopenhagen.com/en-us/our-legacy/a-delicate-craft/the-backstamps
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Thanks @judy, yes i meant royal copenhagen. And maybe this one helps. I have 4 diffrent flowers with the same border decoration, size and the same bottom with same number 6 and small black holes. On the other is the blue lines wavy.

 

Here’s something I found on 1stDibs. Faint blue lines and part Signature which looks as if it might say Klein as I think your first example does. I’m not sure though, wait for others.

 

I think it says Klein.

 

thank you both! Klein doesn't sound Danish to my ears and I've been searching but unfortunately couldn't find anything about Klein who painted at Royal Copenhagen.

Do you perhaps know another porcelain factory that has used a similar 3wavy lines?

and could this plate from 18th century?

 

https://www.worldantique.net/apstort.asp?selbinr=207075&T2=N. E. From, N. E. From&fra=12800
I would suggest perhaps contacting a Royal Copenhagen collectors group, I don’t know if this page I’m posting is accurate for date etc.

 

Thank you @Houseful, very helpfull. I'll try to get contact with a Royal copenhagen forum.

 

You are welcome, good luck!

 

I contacted the Design Museum Copenhagen but they referred me to the Clay Keramiek Museum Danmark; in 2010 they inherited the entire historic collection from Royal Copenhagen– around 55.000 pieces of porcelain.
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Your plates are made at Royal Copenhagen. The three waves are hand-painted in the first year of the factory and therefore vary slightly. From 1870, the waves begin to be stamped and therefore become more uniform.

Klein and the capital letter K. are both signatures of the painter Christian Leonhard Klein (1810-1891). He started at the factory at the age of 15 in 1825.

His specialty was flower painting.

Unfortunately, there is no certain interpretation of the numbers pressed into the plate.

If I have to summarize what I know for a dating, it is certain that the two plates you have sent pictures of are made between 1825 and 1870. I would immediately think that they were made between 1840 and 1860 but it is a little more uncertain.

Best regards

Allan Andersen
Collection manager
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i also got an email from klosterkaelderen.dk (Danish Porcelain & Antiques, Mariager) and he said it is definitely 1800 Royal copenhagen
But more exact – I am not an expert in 19th century marks – but it could go back to 1820s.

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so i think with 1840-1860 dating i'm fairly secure