Featured KPM teacup & saucer set - genuine? or not?

Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by Cream Puff, Aug 5, 2019.

  1. Cream Puff

    Cream Puff Member

    Hi everyone. I'm new to the forum. On Saturday I went to an estate sale, and purchased 6 of these beauties (everything was 75% off, and I think all 6 were priced at 40 bucks!). Each one has a different, hand painted floral design. I know that KPM porcelain is frequently counterfeited, so I wanted someone's opinion on these.

    Thanks in advance for the info and advice! P1050008_opt.jpg P1050010_opt.jpg P1050011_opt.jpg P1050013_opt.jpg
     
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  2. judy

    judy Well-Known Member

    Hi Cream Puff!

    Welcome to Antiquers.......

    Beautiful cup/saucer(s).

    I can't confirm though......others will be along.
     
  3. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    Hi, Welcome to Antiquers.
    Afraid the mark is too small to see. Can you get a close up.
     
  4. Cream Puff

    Cream Puff Member

    Here's another photo. It's a bad cell phone picture, I'm sorry. This is the mark on the saucer. The mark on the cup is a little lighter. Some of my cups/saucers have the orb/cross mark; others don't. I suppose this wasn't the best saucer to photograph, since the blue mark partially covers the cross, but it was the one on top. WP_20190805_003_opt.jpg
     
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  5. Cream Puff

    Cream Puff Member

    Also - what might be the significance of the incised N next to KPM and the painted D at the top of the photo?
     
  6. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    I'm not finding your mark.
    Notice the one most similar to yours has a cross on top and yours doesn't.
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    https://www.realorrepro.com/article/KPM-Porcelain




    I have a hard time navigating Chris' site. The only page I found doesn't have anything similar to your mark. But there may be another page I haven't found.

    Scroll down
    https://www.porcelainmarksandmore.com/related/silesia/waldenburg-01/index.php

    is most likely the decorator's mark.
    The incised N could be a date code.
     
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  7. Cream Puff

    Cream Puff Member

    That orb mark was just carelessly placed. If you look at the top of it, you can see where the cross starts - it's just obscured by the blue scepter. Like I said, I should have chosen one of the other pieces to photograph, but I was lazy and just picked the one on top! The others do show the full orb and cross that are in your pic. I'll post one in a bit when I finally make it out of bed.
     
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  8. Cream Puff

    Cream Puff Member

    Here's a picture of a better mark from one of the cups. This cup doesn't have the D or the N. WP_20190806_006.jpg
     
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  9. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    Possibly a different decorator, different date.

    Can you see differences in the painting of the flowers?
    I'm assuming they are hand painted. You can verify this with a magnifying glass. If you see dots, it is a transfer and more possibly a reproduction. If you see brush strokes, then hand painted.
    Wait for others more knowledgeable than myself.
     
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  10. Cream Puff

    Cream Puff Member

    These are all hand painted, and all different. I've looked at them with a loupe and they're definitely not transfer printed.

    At the estate sale, since everything was 75% off and also because it was payday, I bought all of the porcelain, china, ironstone, etc. Hundreds of pieces. Because of the quality of the rest of the items, I feel pretty confident about these. But I just don't know enough to be sure. Thanks everyone for all your help!
     
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  11. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    I think you can safely say KPM. The only piece I had that I was convinced was of sufficient quality had very similar marks. They don't look out of line for KPM production IMO.

    You can contact KPM. They pride themselves on the completeness of their records, but it entails a fairly pricey search.
     
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  12. Cream Puff

    Cream Puff Member

    Thanks! They were a good find.
    I'll be posting more queries soon - several of the pieces I bought have marks I can't identify.
     
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  13. kentworld

    kentworld Well-Known Member

    Look genuine to me.
     
  14. Cream Puff

    Cream Puff Member

    Thank you. I do have just one more question. Judging by the shape of the crown/scepter mark, I'm assuming these were made between 1879-1945 (I think I have the correct date range). I do find those marks to be somewhat confusing because no matter what the time period, they're all kind of similar and they're all sloppy. At first I thought they indicated an earlier date. But the 1879-1945 mark is closest. Does that seem right?
     
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