American Turquoise Glass Flask

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  1. kardinalisimo

    kardinalisimo Well-Known Member

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  2. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    This looks like a Wheaton N.J. bottle - 1970s
     
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  3. kardinalisimo

    kardinalisimo Well-Known Member

    Who was the maker of the one from the link?
     
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  4. dgbjwc

    dgbjwc Well-Known Member

    Hi Kard - can't tell about the black spots - could be just left over debris or ash trapped in the glass. If ash, it's a manufacturer's defect and won't come out. Might want to use a bottle brush and some mild dishwashing liquid and see if it has any effect.
    Don
     
  5. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    No idea who made the original, but Wheaton reproduced any number of these embossed bottles in the late 1960s-early '70s, and I don't think they were the only company doing so. Just search eBay. I remember buying some of these as gifts back then. I thought they were cool. Still do, but "cool" and "worth anything" are two disconnected notions.

    I think that circle on the bottom is meant as a faux pontil scar.

    Wheaton bottles are frequently, but not always, marked.
     
  6. kardinalisimo

    kardinalisimo Well-Known Member

    I don't think that this is a pontil but mold mark. I know there are lot of reproductions but I'd like to know what are the features on the bottle that makes it a replica by Wheaton or other company?
     
  7. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    The appearance of the bottom is a big thing. The lack of crispness in the molding is another.
     
  8. kardinalisimo

    kardinalisimo Well-Known Member

    can you help me find the same reproduced bottle online?
     
  9. Bev aka thelmasstuff

    Bev aka thelmasstuff Colored pencil artist extraordinaire ;)

    My Dad had a collection of these and they were 1970s. Some were amber or green. He had one with Washington, etc. Widely sold. On the other hand, 1970 is nearly an antique now.
     
  10. 42Skeezix

    42Skeezix Moderator Moderator

    Made by Clevenger Bros. of Clayton N.J.. mid to late 20th. century.

    The original was made by Coffin and Hay of Hammonton, N.J. circa 1840.
    Every original of this bottle WILL have an open pontil. Some Clev. repros do, some don't.

    An esoteric tip. Coffin and Hay were known for their crisp, detailed molds. Their flasks are always well blown and strongly defined. Note this example is very "washed out" for lack of a better term.
     
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  11. Bev aka thelmasstuff

    Bev aka thelmasstuff Colored pencil artist extraordinaire ;)

  12. 42Skeezix

    42Skeezix Moderator Moderator

    Clevenger did repros fo several early American bottles besides this one as Bev mentioned. These include the Washington she spoke of along with a figural bust George Washington bottle modeled on a circa 1870 Simons Centennial Bitters, and a cabin shaped bottle modeled on the rare E. G. Booz cabin of Philly.. This fake has caused utter consternation among new collectors for decades.

    They are all hand blown using the old South Jersey gaffer techniques used 200 years ago.
     
  13. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    Here’s one on green:
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Gre...Grapes-30oz-/151792872444?hash=item23578f6bfc

    And another one in purple:
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/STUNNING-VT...AGLE-GRAPES-/361213785149?hash=item541a04f43d

    And one with a worked mouth in teal:
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/OLD-VINTAGE...4-TALL-BLUE-/321834738267?hash=item4aeed8625b

    None of these are marked, so they may be a maker other than Wheaton. I see Clevenger and Empire as other makers of this type of imitation.\

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    This computer is so slow, I missed Skeezik's and other posts while putting this one together.
     
    Last edited: Aug 28, 2015
  14. kardinalisimo

    kardinalisimo Well-Known Member

    Thanks to all. Great info.
     
  15. Bev aka thelmasstuff

    Bev aka thelmasstuff Colored pencil artist extraordinaire ;)

    Some of us forget that the stuff we think of as "new" has gotten OLD right along with us. Now my 40ish kids are shocked that some of their childhood things are collectible.
     
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