Tired Old Sword with No Info

Discussion in 'Militaria' started by huzzah, Aug 25, 2015.

  1. huzzah

    huzzah Train Nut

    I was given this sword by my father who found it in the wall of a house he was tearing down years ago after a flood. I don't know how long he had it or anything about who it belonged too.
    I did some research on my own and think it is from Edward VII's reign? So it would have been made between 1901 and 1910? I'm very new to this sort of research and would like to get some help if I could.
    It is in pretty rough shape but it has 'Samuel Brothers' on it and a serial number stamped on the 'blade side.'
    I tried contacting Samuel Brothers but they haven't gotten back with me. It's been two weeks so I have a feeling I won't hear back from them.
    Maybe I won't find out any more information on it, but perhaps someone here could shed some light. I was told it was a cavalry style sword, probably presented to an officer, but I have no real evidence of that and don't want to spread false information about it.
    I'm going to scale down the photos and upload them in my next message.
     
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  2. huzzah

    huzzah Train Nut

  3. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    That is a decent British Army infantry officer's regulation issue sword from about 1901 to 1910. See Edward VII on the guard. You already have this. UK value around $150 equivalent. There is not much more to say, really. I can't see the decoration to decipher any regimental marks. The coat of arms is the royal standard,the United Kingdom coat of arms, which is routine, but may indicate a Guards regiment.

    Not cavalry, cavalry swords have a slight curve to them. Could be artillery, but these are usually a bit shorter.Come to think of it,the Household Cavalry may have straight blades.If I can find my 'Swords of the British Army' I will take a look.

    I'd not call it 'tired', I have seen far worse.
     
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  4. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    Here`s the details of one which went at auction in 2013.
    The prices are the estimated hammer price.
    This one has a leather scabbard, yours looks to be steel.

    http://www.auction-net.co.uk/viewAu...50&PHPSESSID=0a55c4dfc8accf0adb1d969bc68fec68

    Lot 556


    An Infantry Officer's Dress Sword
    An E.VII.R. Infantry Officer's Dress Sword, by Samuel Brothers, London, with etched blade and leather field service scabbard, numbered '4649'
    £100-120
     
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  5. huzzah

    huzzah Train Nut

    Thank you both for taking the time to look at it.

    I looked through my weapon books but none of them covered British swords after the medieval era, and I haven't had time to go to the store and look for one.

    afantiques, that would be neat if your book had which sword type it was. I will have to see if I can find that book online too. Sounds like it would be quite interesting :)

    And thanks, daveydempsey, for finding that auction. Yes, my scabbard is steal. My uncle said that he heard that wasn't the scabbard the sword originally went too, but I'm not sure how he gathered that information so I can't say for sure. It fits in it perfectly fine so I don't see why it wouldn't be the correct scabbard.
     
  6. huzzah

    huzzah Train Nut

    I'll try to take better pictures of the markings on the sword for you to see if that helps.
     
  7. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    Yes cavalry swords were meant to slash from a horse, yours is meant to run someone thru......after a bit of swordplay !! ;)
     
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  8. huzzah

    huzzah Train Nut

  9. kristiaan

    kristiaan Well-Known Member

    Sorry to contradict, but not all cavalry swords are curved and the length of a sword depended about how tall/short the owner was.
    I can not say anything about the sword that is showed here, because it is a bit out of my comfort zone.
     
  10. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    no one said all cavalry swords....
     
  11. huzzah

    huzzah Train Nut

    Do you think Samuel Brothers still has their sales records from the early 1900's? Maybe I could try to contact them again.
     
  12. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    that's a long shot......but long shots pay handsomely...;);)
     
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  13. kristiaan

    kristiaan Well-Known Member

    Sorry that I misinterpreted.
     
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  14. kristiaan

    kristiaan Well-Known Member

    There is a fine sword forum that you could ask, but they don't do evaluations, just identifying.
    http://www.swordforum.com/forums/content.php
     
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  15. huzzah

    huzzah Train Nut

    Thanks for the link! I'll try it out :)
     
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